This sort of thing annoys me...

What exactly are you comparing? A professional boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy, or a 3 month boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy?

Jimmerson didn't train for Gracie because boxers don't do that. That's what makes them boxers rather than MMA guys. And we can assume the same for the hypothetical "streetfight" boxer...unless he took MMA lessons, in which case he's an MMA guy.

The fight isn't necessarily over when it reaches the ground, and the boxer can still fight back as you say. But the point is that a wrestler will have a superior position, even if he hasn't trained any ground striking (neither has the boxer). All other things being equal, the wrestler has a big advantage because of position.

 

Pulling guard on the pavement won't work, I agree.

But if we have a hypothetical BJJ student vs. a hypothetical boxer who are otherwise equal, the BJJ guy probably has more takedown experience than the boxer (who doesn't have any). So it's more likely that the BJJ guy takes him down.

And I can see your point on the nature of street fights. But there are still greater/lesser probabilities of success with certain styles--otherwise everyone would train Tai Chi and have a 50-50 chance of beating Marvin Hagler.

 

The ViciousBoxer "Ground n' Slap".

 

The point they're making is that MMA skills have a lot more carry-over to a no-rules environment than boxing skills (which in turn have a lot more carry-over than, for instance, Tae Kwon Do) since they compete in something closer to no-rules. In the absence of weapons, it is a valid point n'est pas?

Also, I would not consider myself an MMA fanboy. I was interested in martial arts before I was interested in MMA or in boxing.

 

True with the punching point. But fights do have a tendency to enter clinch range rather more often than staying in long range.

Yeah...I guess it's pointless. We'd need to find a couple hundred 3-month boxers, wrestlers, and BJJ guys to test it first.