This tournament making me realize how beast prime donaire was

I bet you're fun at parties.

I can imagine you waiting for any achievement someone might talk about and then instantly tell them it's not as impressive as something Manny Pacquiao did.

Gonzalez was legit but his style just wasn't made to climb the weight classes like certain other fighters was/is.

 

No matter how you slice it, its 10lbs.

Its not so much about the weight but the fighters he fought. He didnt fight a single p4p fighter, not a single HOF'er. Can you name me one other p4p 1 with a worse record? Not a single p4p name on their record of HOF'er?

 

So in light of all the guff being spouted by Nonoto s loyal fans.. .how good does that make Burnett... Cos he was thoroughly outboxing. Nonito in there... Outclassing him in all departments of boxing.

 

Funny that because I compared him to every p4p 1 prior, not just Pac. Pac was just the most relevant example as he also was at 106lb.

He just has the worst resume of any p4p 1. A token p4p 1 from the smaller weight classes.

 

You said Pac set the bar for p4p number 1. I think whilst his achievements were amazing his route of weight climbing isn't the only way to be p4p number 1. Choc was a multiple division champ and looked great doing so. Was he the greatest fighter to be afforded that mantle? No but that doesn't he didn't have a case for it at the time.

 

It’s arguable that he lost the first one,granted the second was pretty decisive lol.
Gotta admit it always felt odd him being PFP king but he did get the exposure and he was always great to watch.
PFP is a psy op anyway imo as guys like Robinson and Leonard are very rare in that they had it all,skill and knockouts whereas the norm is usually one or the other.
Crawford and Lomo imo are quite rightly rated top.

 

If you look at my post below that, I also list every single p4p and what they had in common. 80% of them went up a lot of weight to challenge themselves, floyd, srl, rjj, mosley etc. and the ones that didnt, didnt need to because they found great fighters at their weight.

Roman had a problem, he didnt have any p4p fighters to challenge at his weight class, well go up and find them. You can't be p4p without beating p4p level fighters.

I also didn't say climbing weight is the only route to p4p 1. I'm saying that you have to beat great fighters or p4p fighters to be p4p 1, and if they're not in your weight class, you gotta climb to find them, either way you have to find them.

It's like if you are based in some little island in Korea, and declare yourself the best in the world, but you don't want to go outside of Korea to fight other fighters. Sure, if you're based in US and theres great fighters there to test yourself against, its fine to stay in your backyard, but you can't stay in your backyard when the top fighters are in other backyards.

 

Dead right which is why I was so relieved to hear Kalle last night say he’s not into the politics side of things which may explain why the cards are usually spot on in these tournaments.

 

I rated Golovkin as a p4p talent despite the fact he didn't have any p4p rated fighters in his division. When Ward was retired and Dawson was rated number 1 at LHW how high would you have wanted Golovkin to go to impress you?

Fighters have different limitations in weight climbing but this shouldn't affect their p4p status which is as I hope you know a subjective ranking which is supposed to eliminate size differentials.

Now if I say Pacquiao was a more impressive p4p #1 than Roman will you stop crying all over your keyboard?

 

I see the GGG, Loma, Crawford, Spence as an interim period. None of these guys have really proven themselves p4p 1, but someone has to be rated 1, and time will tell. So you rate GGG 1, if he went on to beat canelo, Charlo and even make noise at SMW, then your rating would have been justified. The fact that he lost to the smaller guy in Canelo pretty much shows its not justified. Same thing with Loma, I rate him #1, but if he loses to Mikey, shows I was wrong about that.

You're obsessed with fanboynism. What does Pac being better than Roman have to do with this? I already stated that he is. And so was every other p4p #1 prior to Roman was.

Roman was a token p4p 1 for the smaller weight classes, to get some recognition.

And you don't seem to get it, it has nothing to do with his ability to climb weight, its his record, he fought no one of note.

If Hagler never fought Hearns, Duran or SRL do you think he would be considered as highly as he did? He was fine to stay where he was at, because the fights came to him. It didnt come to Roman. Maybe thats not his fault, but all the same, you cant rate someone top when they havent beaten anyone of note in such a lengthy career.

 

You really can't see how you love you some Manny eh? Wow.

And again you're wrong here - Golovkin beat Canelo clearly twice in the eyes of the majority of pundits, fighters and fans. Corruption saw the official result go the other way once and a gift draw with one of the worst cards in the history of the sport handed out in the other.

The point it you may not think Roman was the greatest fighter to arguably hold that mantle but it certainly wasn't tokenism that got him there. I mean who at that period in time - even looking back with hindsight - was 100 % more deserving of that accolade?

 

Nope, I had Canelo winning, specially the 2nd fight. Canelo landed the crispier shots, in combinations, more powershots. GGG landed more jabs. I rate the power shots higher than the jabs. Canelo brought it in the 2nd fight, and it was GGG I saw gasping for air from those bodyshots. And I was rooting for GGG, I rated him very highly, I actually thought Canelo was overrated given that he had a very close fight with Cotto. But GGG lost, and judges saw it too.

Correction, Roman was the worst fighter to ever hold the p4p mantle. Ward would have been a better shout. Thurman would have been a better shout. GGG, Canelo. Certainly not Roman, who was his best win up to that point?

 

I remember the Darchinian fight well. Vic was a killer and got starched by Donaire but as I recall Vic was a bit old at that point and if I'm not mistaken (too lazy to look this stuff up) smaller. But Donaire was a beast when younger and lighter.

 

You would of had Run Time as p4p #1? Haha. Cool. That and your Canelo GGG 1 card means I can safely disregard your opinion as a judge.