This "US PPV money".....

I can think of a handful of guys who sold more than 500,000 PPVs the first time out.

Mike Tyson had never been on PPV before the Michael Spinks fight. Neither had Spinks.

Buster Douglas had never been on PPV before he fought Holyfield. Evander hadn't been on PPV before he fought Buster, either.

Tyson-Spinks did close to million PPV buys. Douglas-Holyfielf did a million. And both of those were when PPV wasn't readily available across the country.

Hell I think Lewis-Tucker even sold more than 500K and neither of them had headlined a PPV before.

 

My mistake but it still doesn't really disprove the point that selling over 500k first time out is rare.

Mike Tyson was huge, one of the bigger athletes in sports. He was making $20 mil purses 30 years ago. The fight vs Spinks did 600k buys.

Douglas v Holyfield was huge but surely Douglas beating Tyson was a huge factor in that. Douglas beat the baddest man on the planet so was hugely over.

Was Lewis v Tucker on ppv. That card had Julio Cesar Chavez on it who was a huge draw.


Wilder and AJ are two relatively unknowns. Wilder can't even sell out arenas when he fights. AJ has never fought in the US.

In a time when we have GGG fights selling less than 200k buys, Ward v Kovalev bombing twice on ppv you would be crazy to assume Wilder v AJ does big numbers.

 

Wilder's team can finance it then if they are so sure it does more.

 

Wilder routinely draws more than a million viewers. Wilder-Ortiz topped out at 1.8 million viewers on Showtime. Wilder-Washington drew 1.7 million viewers on Fox. Wilder-Arreola drew 2.5 million viewers.

(NONE of those figures take into account the number of viewers who have watched those Wilder fights in the UK. Because they are all shown there as well. All of his title fights have. But nobody mentions the viewership those cards have.)

Fighting for the undisputed heavyweight championship has always been a big deal in the U.S.

I can understand why Hearn is nervous or "feigning" nervousness.

The truth is NONE of Joshua's fights are on PPV in the U.S. People keep saying Joshua fights sell the same number of PPVs in the UK regardless of who he fights. That's GREAT! But he isn't selling ANY PPVs in the U.S.

If Wilder-Joshua sells 100,000 PPVs in the U.S., that's an additional $10 million added to the pot of whatever Joshua normally sells in the UK.

If Wilder-Joshua sells 200,000 PPVs in the U.S., that's an additional $20 million added to the pot, not counting UK PPV.

If Wilder-Joshua sells 300,000 PPVs, a modest PPV, that's an additional $30 million added to the pot, not counting UK PPV.

From what I can gather, Joshua routinely sells a million PPVs in the UK, but they charge a lot less than they do in the U.S.

If Joshua-Wilder sells 350,000 US PPVs, meaning only 20 percent of the people who normally watch Wilder decide to pay to watch him fight Joshua for all the belts, it generates in the US what Joshua ALSO generates in UK PPV. Meaning the PPV income is DOUBLE what Joshua fights normally do.

They are both unknowns when it comes to U.S. PPV. But EVERY DOLLAR they generate in the U.S. is money ON TOP of what Joshua normally makes.

In that regard, Wilder brings more to the table than anyone Joshua could fight.

Joshua-Haye or Joshua-Bellew isn't a PPV in the U.S. Neither is Joshua-Povetkin. Unless Hearn plans to DOUBLE the cost of PPVs in the UK for those fights, and still expects to sell the same number of PPVs, Wilder is the fight that generates the most money.

Joshua-Wilder doesn't have to sell that many PPVs in the US to match what the UK PPVs for Joshua fights bring in.

But whatever they make on US PPVs is just gravy on top of what the UK PPV already generates. And that US gravy could end up covering the whole plate.

 

Yes. Lewis-Tucker was on PPV. I know, because I bought it. (LOL)

 

Finkle's counter offer is on Eddie Hearn's desk right now. Probably will hear about Hearn saying something about it this week.

 

What are you even talking about? Something made up in your head obviously. Just weird that some of you expect the B side to lead the negotiations, when that has never happened in the history of boxing, or conveniently ignorant.

 

judging by what has been made public so far, both sides are more interested in posturing than in fighting.