This victory gives nothing to Lomachenko

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People who havent fought dont understand that the embarassment of getting seriously clowned is much worse than getting your ass kicked. Taking an ass beating isnt that hard.
    Rigo and Walters quit out of embarassment. Rigo had been dominant his entire career, he talked a big game and for the first time he was faced with something he had no idea how to deal with so he wanted out of it.
     
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  2. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of elite fighters don't know what to do when all their tricks aren't working. There was no plan B last night. He has never had to dig deep and find a way to win.
     
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  3. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think for Horn's win over Pacman, and Loma's victory over Rigo are both similar in size of important wins for the victors. Its Horn's best win, I think I would rate GR Jr, and Walters above 130lb Rigo, they would probably beat Rigo at that weight as well. Its not a meaningless fight, neither was Brook facing GGG up at 160lbs.
     
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  4. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma is feasting on little guys and getting props from his dick riders, lmao. They even have him #1 pfp, lmao.
     
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  5. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma has lost and the man who beat him got stopped last night and retired, but Loma is pfp the best lol.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

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    Duran quit for the same reason....he wasn't getting his ass kicked; he was getting EMBARRASED.
    His macho mentality couldn't handle the degradation.

    Same with Rigo. His Latin Macho-ness was begin emasculated...he made an excuse and went No Mas.
    End of story.
     
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  7. kirk

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    The only thing I really got from this fight was, that added to Loma, was it was interesting to see that Lomas defensive skills were that sharp against someone as quick, precise and skilled as Rigo.... its different looking sharp against fighters of average speed, but when a smaller talented fast fighter moves up, you expect the bigger fighter to overwhelm them with physicality, but that Lomas defense was so on point against a guy like Rigo, was impressive to me.

    Other than that, I agree... I dont think this fight raised his stock all that much (I recognize that I am clearly in the minority in thinking that)

    Heres the thing, Loma himself admits it. He said it himself its not that big of a win and that the size difference is why. It doesnt get any clearer than that.

    That being said, he did exactly what he should have done and now on to, hopefully, bigger and better things.
     
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  8. kirk

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    The salido fight was almost four years ago lol. Not sure what a fight that far back has to do with todays pound for pound.
     
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  9. BlizzyBlizz

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    Kirk you know you can't put him #1 pfp because of that loss. I have Loma just entering the top 10 pfp.
     
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  10. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bruce Trampler is doing wonderful things for Loma.
     
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  11. kirk

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    Well, I do have him number one. The fight was 3.5 years ago.... hes beaten GRJ, Walters and Rigo since then and showing insane skills and talent while doing so. He is clearly a better fighter now then he was when he fought Salido.

    To each their own though. p4p is bull**** anyway.
     
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  12. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    We are the hardcore fans, we can distinguish the difference between the various technical knock outs and legitmate knock outs. You are asking for a play of ignorance that would technically make us both right...which you dont want.

    He predicted a demolition job KO, I predicted a gradual break down. If you cant tell the difference, and think that is an argument of semantics...a one way argument at that, why are you here? You cant be that stupid.
     
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  13. JohnnyDrama99

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    Rig is really the only smaller opponent Loma feasted on. Loma moved up from featherweight to super featherweight to find challenges and Rig stepped up. I think it's fair to place Loma at #1 on the p4p rankings after making Rig quit. I wasn't expecting Loma to completely dominate Rig like he did but the way he performed was definitely impressive.
     
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  14. kirk

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    You are wrong when you said Loma didnt show any superiority to make Rigo quit. At the risk of sounding stuck up (not my intention) what you dont seem to understand is the physcological pressure that Lomas high level style puts on opponents. When you are fighting someone that fast, that on point, and someone that is taking you apart and embarressing you (meaning, you are starting to feel embarressed at how outclassed you are becoming, not something a high level fighter is used to feeling), and that guy is on the *front foot*, leaning in, applying skilled pressure like that, there is absolutely a superior, dominating mechanism happening on the fighter, whether they are taking big punches or not. It is that mental pressure, and the desire to not continue to be further embarrassed, that makes fighters not want to continue anymore once they feel they have no way to actually win. What Loma does in there is a form of mental domination, even if it doesn't outwardly look like it.
     
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  15. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't have a problem with him at all Kirk, but he didn't rematch Salido and I can't change the rules for one fighter. Rematches matter. Loma has talent. But Loma is feasting on little guys.
    People said Russell was untested and hadn't fought anyone, but when Loma beat him Russell is now all world.

    Rigo was 37 years old. He fought 1 round in 12 months while waiting for a fight. He came up 2 weight classes. Loma gets credit though little for the win. Marriaga moved up a weight division and was coming off a loss. Sosa solid win, Walters came off a year layoff. This is why Trampler is the best in the business
     
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