This video tells me Floyd beats Pac all day long

Watching Hopkins..I could be lead to believe that!

 

You are right about southpaws. However, Manny is a sucker for counter punchers. We all know the blueprint to beat him, JMM showed the world. Those 2 fights between JMM and Pac, where much more close/competitive(considering their actual outcomes and not taking into account what most of the boxing world consider, which is that JMM won both) than Floyd vs Corley, Mitchell and Judah COMBINED.

With this said, I think that for this particular matchup Floyd's counter punching and style > Manny's natural gift of being a southpaw. Many people think that Pac has evolved since JMM and that he is a much better fighter, but seem to forget that Floyd is on another level from JMM. To me, Floyd still has the advantage.

 

:deal

 

this pretty much sums it up....great post

 

Great video. If that guy only hits the gloves of Floyd, then there's no way that Pac can hit Floyd.

 

Re-quote for emphasis.

"not taking into account what most of the boxing world consider, which is that JMM won both"

Repost again Pacman vs JMM fight and MaestroBoxing clips on Pacman and its a done deal.

 

unbelievable

 

There is something that Floyd talks about that makes him effective and that makes Pac effective, its the broken rhythm. Floyd, from an external viewpoint, looks predictable because when someone comes forward, he goes back, but in slowmotion you see the subtle offensive alterations and rhythm fluctuations that put him on another level than most opponents.

This is why Pac is effective too, but it is with his offense. It is stacatto and rapid burst but it is offbeat. he throws his combos from different starting points and has accuracy, and this broken rhythm makes it very hard to adapt to his speed. There are plenty of fast guys, but their offense is not as unpredictable as that herky jerky randomness that makes Pac successful.

 

Make sense, but when I see pac fights, its always in rhythm because the opponents, rarely throw back, because they fear pacs power, meaning they're in defensive mode most of the time, and arent moving out the way or have no skills to do so. So it seems like Pac can do whatever he wants to opponents, because hes opponents didnt get him off rhythm to counter or move out the way, it shows how talented Pac is, but it also shows how hes opponents were picked correctly for hes style. For me, Marquez kept moving and not giving Pacquiao that many opportunities to bull rush, and hes movement took away hes angles to throw 4-6 punch combos, there was only a trade when Marquez stood still, plus hes flat footed.

 

I'm not talking about PEDs or challenging how much you know about boxing, right now. The question is, is he a vastly different fighter, in terms of skill, from what he was in 3/2008? IMO...NO.

Skeleton? Manny fought the MAJORITY of his career at 130 and below. So, what you are saying is that he was ALWAYS a "skeleton", at those weights. Interesting. Since he was so uncomfortable at the weight, then why did he force Morales to come in at 130, for the rematches, when he and Manny could've fought at a more "comfortable" weight, for both guys. Morales was the "skeleton", in those fights...not Manny. He is the one who had issues making that weight, and remaining effective...not Manny.

Weight was not the issue in either fight against JMM. JMM's skill and heart was the issue. If Pac has improved (skill-wise) at all, it is only slightly, since the second fight. And since he hasn't fought a comparably skilled fighter since, we don't know how much. His opposition since JMM 2, has been tailor made, like a Brooks Brothers suit.

Let me guess when you saw it all come together...either 3 months after the JMM rematch against Diaz or 9 months later against a shot, weight drained ODLH. Right? :think

 

Not a skeleton? Look at pacman pic during their second fight. And please we're talking about JMM, stop moving the pole. Pacman was starving himself and not taking any fluid close to weighing day just to make the weight even during Morales days.

That clip was from MaestroBoxing a known bias pacman critic. Do you honeslty believe I would waste my time watching such clip.

ODLH weight drained himself, it wasn't pacman who called the shot. ODLH cherry picked pacman and got blown bigtime.

I have no problem unbiased boxing expert dissect pacman style or improvement. You know me, I take it like how a gentelman should.

I've been following pacman since 1996 and watched all his fight. Not just his fight with Barerra, Morales who all of you claimed shot or over the hill.

Tailor made? Pacman must be so ****ing lame? Tailor made againts shot and over the hill fighters. :yep

 

I don't care about what he looks like three weight classes above 130. He competed at 130 for a number of years, because, he could make the weight and be effective. NO EXCUSES. If it was so hard...he should've moved up A LOT sooner. Weight is not the reason those fights with JMM were so competitive. JMM is a smarter fighter than Manny. That is why they were so closely contested. Manny would have all the same physical advantages now that he had back in 2008. But, JMM would still be the smarter fighter. It just is what it is. I contend that Manny's has not improved, considerably, if at all, skill-wise, since that second fight with JMM. He was as "complete" then, as he is now.

 

Why would I even make excuses on pacmans weight, he won that fight.

Smarter? Manny won for crying out loud.

Its just what it is? Manny won.

Manny was already complete during their second fight? Think and analyze from a neutral point of view.

If JMM is better and smarter than pacman the we can conclude the Marquez can obliterate ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margo at higher weight.

Don't start making excuses on JMM being small, old, or can't compete at 147lbs. I'm just deducting from your point of reasoning.

 

pac was relying too much on his left hand even in the second jmm fight. i've noticed, he never used his right that much. he practically held his own against one of the best counterpunchers today using mostly his only his left hand. if not for the difference in size and power, i see jmm still giving pac problems, but i see pac doing a lot better.

 

It happened when all the PEDs talk started. If pac didn't greatly improve as a fighter, what was with all the PEDs talk? This doesn't make any sense at all. Did he or did he not improve? If not, what is with the PEDs accusastions?