This was posted on instagram a implication of cheating of the most serious level

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  1. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Their claim is what exactly? That the other team tried to cheat for them? While they simultaneously cheated the exact same way?
     
  2. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    I originally thought you were joking/******ed/insane.

    But upon seeing that second comment from the coach about how it was on Kalenga's gloves as well, I've decided you're probably right.

    Smart call.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    So, the manager admits those were his fighter's gloves ?
    This is interesting.
    Perhaps he's saying the other camp tampered with both pairs of gloves, which is possible but seems unduly risky on their part.
    It makes little sense to give the other side the same "unfair advantage" you intend to give yourself.

    But I'll consider the possibility then that one side was not deliberately cheating here but it seems they were both carrying the same substance on the gloves anyway .... but if that is so surely they'd notice earlier and call attention to it ?

    I think both sides were probably cheating. The team that lost is calling foul. That makes most sense still.
     
  4. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    CJ I can't answer that i am just reporting what Garry Hyde said on instagram . However i don't
    know if it is a coincidence that both fights with gloves that had Acetate were both WBA
    sanctioned title fights.
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    It could be that neither side is responsible and some third party has caused this mischief.
    That's possible too.
    Interesting that the manager used the phrase "a certain group of camps".
     
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  6. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just hope a big gambling syndicate is not involved as the 3rd party and is trying to
    get a unfair advantage. I noticed that Sturm was underdog and was paying $3.30 while
    the other fight was pick em and Dorticos was paying around $ 2.20. Perhaps that's why
    Hyde will not reveal the camps involved .
     
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    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah, I wondering the same thing.
     
  8. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another twist. Cuban super bantamweight champion Rigondeaux old manager was Gary Hyde
    and they had a bitter fallout and and GH had some harsh words for Caribe promotions calling them
    reptiles and hinting they ruined his career not him. Caribe promoted Cuban Dorticus vs Hyde
    fighter Kalenga . Lot of bad blood between Hyde and Caribe promotions.
     
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  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Like the old razor spikes on a baseball players shoe
     
  10. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Rebuttals to Hyde state that his own boxer's gloves had discoloured. Responses to this rebuttal could be -
    Hyde's boxer's glove may be slightly colour eroded, too for a number of reasons:
    a. because he is hitting the suspected acetate gloves of his opponent
    b. In clinches/close range, there tends to be more glove-to-glove contact
    c. Acetate from the opponents glove will be on his face, and boxers always tap their own faces gently or wipe their faces slightly with their gloves when in battle - Hyde's boxer would have an agenda to rub his face/eyes more in order to calm the stinging

    I'm impartial here as there is incomplete information. This warrants further investigation.
     
  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    His eyes were burning from his own gloves, went to rub his nose and....
     
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    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    They tampered the wrong gloves
     
  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It sounds to me as if both sides were trying to cheat, why complain about it only now if they were innocent?

    Further investigation is needed for sure.
     
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  14. Saku

    Saku We Are All One Full Member

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    If you punch on the gloves of the opponent and the acetate is then on all gloves, isn't there a high possibility that the cheater gets burned eyes himself??? Does this cheat even makes sense then? Not saying it is impossible to cheat with Acetate, just curious why anyone would risk that, plus the risk being caught.
     
  15. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Well you did ask...