Thomas Hearns rated 25th best fighter in the last 50 years (1996)

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  1. Mark Adam

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    Published in the Ring magazine with this info:
    Record 55-4-1 (43)
    World Titles: Welterweight, junior middle, middle, light heavyweight
    Quality of competition: 10
    Bouts vs. Top 50 fighters: 4
    Why he`s here: He was the most exciting fighter of the 80`s
    What he could have done to better his ranking: Won one of the biggest bouts of his career (vs. Ray Leonard or Marvin Hagler).
    Do you agree or disagree with some of these points?
     
  2. Shark Attack

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    He should be ranked higher than that .
    He should also have got the decision against Ray Leonard in their 2nd clash , he knocked him down twice in that
    fight and had two 10-8 rnds but still the judges only came up with a draw .

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  3. salsanchezfan

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    His rank here seems accurate, I suppose. He came up short in his two biggest moments, but had a few other very high-profile wins too. I also give him points for being brave enough to take on the very hardest challenges he could find. He fought everybody, and unless you were exceptional you were going to lose to him.
     
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  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Tyson was more exiting in the 80s
     
  5. Mark Adam

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    He was pretty crap in that 2nd fight though compared to how fast his jab was in the first fight with Ray, Hearns didn`t fight as good from super-middle upwards, I didn`t rate Hill that much at all.
     
  6. Mark Adam

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    His fights were too one sided, name me one Tyson fight that even came close to Hagler v Hearns. Name me one Tyson opponent he was as aggressive, dangerous and exciting as Marvin Hagler.
     
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    Maybe, but Charles would have toyed with Hearns at light heavy and probably could have beat him at a catchweight also.
     
  8. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Tyson in his peak was the best fighter on the planet in this period of time. And was more exiting than hearns more complete fighter, his fights were one sided because he was better and more dominant than hearns
     
  9. Mark Adam

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    Hearns was completely dominant at welter the same way Tyson was at heavyweight up to 1981, he destroyed Cuevas in 2 rounds, Tyson never destroyed a feared puncher on the level of Cuevas at heavyweight, Hearns had a better jab than Tyson as Ray Leonard found out in `81 until he found a way through, Tyson never had to deal with a heavyweight version of a Hearns like jab, he was a master of the pawing jab. By the time Tyson won the heavyweight title, Hearns was on the way down, before that the main men were Chavez for a while, Don Curry before that, Hearns, Leonard until he retired in `81, Marvin Hagler and Larry Holmes, Duran is worth a mention because of his amazing first fight with Ray Leonard, Leonard was voted by the ring magazine as the fighter of the 80`s, it`s was some decade and Tyson played his part, but to just cast aside the fabulous four is pathetic, Tyson never beat anyone at heavyweight even near that level.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

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    very different. Hearns fought better guys and engaged with the top guys better and more competitively. If Tyson ever had a Hagler vs. Hearns kind of fight or a Hearns vs. Leonard first fight then I don't know about it. Tyson did not have the level fighters Hearns had with Hagler,Duran,Leonard,Benitez and even Cuevas.. and Hill was a good challenge because he was younger and older-but Tyson wiped out the guys he had regardless if they were Tubbs and Tucker level and not Holyfield and Bowe. Hearns was lucky he had the greats to fight and Tyson? Well I don't know if he was unlucky, since when he did fight greats later on he lost to them. Spinks was a good win if not almost too easy. Had Tyson fought Hearns level he would have won his title against at least Witherspoon, who I think at his best was better than anyone Tyson fought his first year.. Fought and beaten a legit weight Holyfield and later beaten Bowe by knockout... Or even Lewis.. But he didn't. I like Tyson, but the facts do remain his fights were exciting wipe outs or the better guys took him late and stopped him. Hearns outboxed Benitez and knocked out Duran and Cuevas.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

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    I cannot accept this. He was great against who he had and great defense to get inside and then work the body and come up to the head. But he really was not tested against the elite level when he was young, and he showed flaws like even Bonecrusher showed or even Tucker with the uppercut in round one. I think history wise Hearns has more great fights and more memorable mixed with fighters. Tyson has a reputation as wiping guys out oneside, but they were not as good as the guys Hearns fought. Which type do you like? I think Hearns should be rated higher than Tyson in the all time great list. Absolutely.
     
  12. Mark Adam

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    Hearns would have a better chance against Charles at middle, at light heavy he would have been far too slow, Charles would have boxed Barkley`s ears off easily.
     
  13. Mark Adam

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    Hearns always had problems with tough fighters that could just steam in past his jab, like Barkley did in their rematch, Barkley couldn`t done that against counter punching and defense of Charles who took a lot of Marciano`s punches before eventually wilting, something Hearns couldn`t have done at cruiser. (some say Rocky could have fought at the modern cruiser weight limit) If Charles had of fought in modern times in his 20`s he would have been the greatest weight in history! (I don`t know if he would have tried to move up to heavyweight, he`d be very small for nowadays).
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    It wouldn't have been any sort of lack of speed that hindered Hearns at 175. He was still extremely fast at the weight. Charles would have whupped him there however.

    Hearns wouldn't have been utterly without chance against Charles at 160 as Charles was green at this weight and during this period. His durability was also well below what it was to become after the war when he filled out and really came into his own as one of the greatest fighters to ever lace on a glove.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Charles had heaps of power at 160 and 175. Jesus H Keyyyyyyyrist.