Thomas Hearns .Vs. Roy Jones Jr. @ 160.

Who do you believe has a more earned a reputation for avoiding fighters -Jones or Hearns?

Styles make fights. Barkley was too strong and too durable for Hearns.

Jones has better balance and footwork than Hearns? So?

Jones was more developed, more experienced, and better suited for 168. Hearns was even further beyond his best at 147/154. What's hard to understand about the assertion that Jones could be more reasonably favored at 168 than 160?

Hearns' opponents were better than Jones' at MW. You dismissed that notion out of hand and that suggested to me that you are not knowledgable about the names mentioned.

 

1. No you tell me who Jones actually avoided/ducked if you want to analyse it, you're eating into the General forum tabloid mentality. I believe McCallum thinks Hearns ducked him

2. But according to you he was shot and past it before the Hearns rematch excusing all his other knock out losses right :yep Regardless Jones has a better faster more precise offense than Barkley and possibly more power, its not like Jones has little power

3. Because Hearns had wobbly weak legs and didn't give him good balance, it was a weakness in his game and Jones footspeed is some of the best we've seen if not the best not to mention his radar (ability to slip shots)

4. Because Jones fought at 160 the same year you consider him 'prime', if you believe Hearns beats him at 160 shouldn't you believe Hearns also beats him at 168 unless you consider Jones was drained at 160?

5. Hearns opposition is worse at 160 if you only look at his wins, who has the best win at 160? Jones and it isnt close. Hearns wins at 160lbs are decent but nothing special, plus he lost against the best he faced and thats why he isn't considered great at 160 but is at 147-154

 

You're ducking the question.

You seem to be having difficulty with reading comprehension.

You overstate your position as usual. And you understate Hearns as usual.

Reading comprehension again. I said that Jones was neither developed or experienced enough during his tenure at 160 to be expected to take on a proven quanity like Hearns.

Here you are switching scripts. Now it's "wins" eh?

 

1. No I'm not you claimed Jones ducked fighters, so tell me who he actually ducked. I gave you a list of fighters Hearns didn't face, I didn't say he ducked them but then again he didn't face the best MWs after he faced Hagler so make of that what you will

2. No you said Barkley was done after the Duran fight, so the fact Benn/Toney beat him emphatically was irrelevant yet he still went on to beat Hearns in between these fights?

3. Because Jones is that much better as a MW

4. So he's experienced enough to dominate P4P no1 Toney in '94 who was fresh off dominating Barkley but not experienced enough to beat a past prime Hearns above his ideal weight classes?

5. You're right Hearns is a true middleweight bad ass for facing Hagler and Barkley and lasting a cumulative 6 rounds in 2 fights. Resume isn't just who you faced but how you performed against them

Running round in circles with this discussion so we'll have to agree to disagree

 

:rofl

Hearns by BRUTAL and I mean BRUTAL KO. Jones did not fight anyone on Hearns level.

 

Has anyone considered that Hearns might try to BOX Jones rather than blast him out?

As he did against Virgil Hill?

 

Jones avoided several fighters throughout his career. Several. Did he blatantly "duck" them? A case can be made.

Barkley? Again, I said that he deterioated swiftly after 1989. He still beat Van Horn and took another title as well as beat Hearns again... but he nevertheless had deteriorated.

Toney was no Hearns. He had neither the ferocity, the speed, nor the power of Hearns. Toney was a counterpuncher. Hearns was a boxer-puncher.

Hearns losing to Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley are more of a testimony to his stugots, not to his weakness. Jones' stugots were comparatively pea-sized and that's before he starting using the roids.

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Okay. We'll agree to disagree.

 

Let's talk about a well experienced Jones Jr vs Hearns.
Who are the several fighters he avoided. Please list the fighters?
Historically Jones had a problem with a counterpuncher not straight ahead boxer punchers. Jones was at his best against fighters he could counter that an offensive first style.
How can you even think Hearns was as quick as Jones? I would bet Emanuel Steward and Thomas would strongly disagree with you.
Do you think Hearns would knock him out? Jones faced a pretty wide variety of fighters with varying styles, and most of them far bigger and stronger than him. Were they all that far below Hearns level of skills and speed, because Jones lost very few rounds at his best.

 

People love to blame Jones Jr for fights not happening but if you look into the reality its far from that. He wanted all the big names coming up and most of them wanted nothing to do with him. After HBO paid him $8million per fight without making demands on opponents is when the comp dropped off, however he still was facing future/current/past world champions and Ring ranked top 10 contenders

Some people actually accuse him of ducking Chris Eubank, which if you've heard what Chris has to say on the matter is 1 of the most laughable of accusations.

 

So what does Eubank have to say on the matter?

But yeah I do agree with everything you said. I seened some post fight interview with Nigel Benn and when they asked him about Roy he said that Roy puts the fear of God in him and that Roy would have to come to England to fight him.

 

The prime of Jones career happened at the height of the time when promoters and networks were protecting their marquee fighters big time, especially in Europe and in the heavyweight division.
There was always alot of hot air with little merit being thrown around to build up their respective fighters and a lot of the public bought into it. Given Roys body of work, and the way his so called conquerers careers played out, was proof that most of it was indeed hot air.

 

Chris said (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) if RJJ and I thought it would shorten my life and maybe his life. The only way I would fight him is if he was my mandatory and I would risk having my WBO belt stripped (quite unlikely given the WBO rarely had/has mandatories, I think Joe Calzaghe had 2 in 10years). Given we are both champions there is no way he could be my mandatory so there is no need for that fight to happen. He also alluded to the fact Jones couldnt be beaten in another interview. But then again Eubank waffles like no other

Jones tried to fight Eubank before he became a champion and tried to fight him in 1998 too. After the tragic Watson 2 fight Eubank wasn't too keen on facing top opposition for the main part

Benn actually wanted the fight after McClellan, because Don King promised him 15million. However it is likely King was trying to get allot of options on both men that night. However Benn said (paraphrasing again) 'I had no chance of beating him, he was too good and I was damaged goods after McClellan but I wanted that 15million'

Benn and Eubank were the best paid MWs/SMWs around by along way and their respective managers weren't risking these cash cows against the top Americans or Herol Bomber Graham for that very reason. There's a funny story of Benn-Eubank 2 and Don King getting screwed over if you want to hear it

 

Stonehands89 v PowerPuncher.

 

Tell me that in 10 yrs

 

Roy wouldn't dare try taking Hearns out early, Roy would have to stick the jab and run six or seven rounds before standing his ground and trading with Tommy. At a lighter weight Tommy wins, at Jone's weight, a late TKO or UD.