those delicious MMA fanboy tears

I believe the right athlete with a stellar amature career, in a very important aspect of the sport and size advantge when fighting essentally at open weight can do suprising things.

If size is the only thing that mattered, why did he lose to Frank Mir or Cain Velazquez? Certainly these men are not bigger or stronger by any real measure. So either it's a fluke Brock won against a tailor made older opponent, or it's a fluke he lost twice to smaller men.

Which is it?

 

You just described college wrestling.

 

What does that have to do with you what you stated? If you disregard the decade of achievements he achieved in one of the three bases of MMA and the discipline which MMA rules most favour then you have a point but you don't.

I don't even like Brock but silly example.

 

I think Lesnar is a juice ****** and was fortunate to come in and beat guys who were tailor made for him as the ufc was going through a transitioning phase with talent improving and signing better fighters

 

Absolutely

 

My point is that you don't need that much experience competing at a high level to reach the top in MMA, as size and brute force will make up for it. It is fighting after all so it's to be expected, but lets not pretend that you need as much dedication, practice and craft as a boxer to make it to the top in their respective sports.

I'm sorry but competing in college gyms as a child is totally different to having that kind of experience as an a fully formed adult.

 

I know Francis Ngannou has been training mma for 3 years and was told he couldn't make it in boxing because of how competitive and deep the talent pool is.

Ngannou looks like a freak athlete and i hope he does do well in the ufc heavyweight division as they're in dire need for more heavyweight talent to come in and do good.

I think some athletes like the Klitschkos, Joshua etc give them training and they can be effective in two martial arts with TDD. They would lose fights but be a force with 3 years or more training. BJJ would take much longer to master.

 

He was 23 when he won a national championship. Same age as when Canelo fought Floyd. Tyson and patterson had already been champions by 23. They do work every bit as hard as boxers. I know, I've seen it.

 

How the hell did the MMA got a boost? They got zero names.
Jones and Rousey are essentially done. McGregor got annihlated by a 40 years old Floyd.

 

He will be a champion very soon then.

3 years training, over a lifetime of dedication which is what it usually takes for boxers to get anywhere decent with the few exceptions.

Most guys who take up MMA are meatheads who get inspired watching a few fights and then decide to take it up the next day and within a few years are top champions.

 

You definetely need to go and watch that "child" Brock before you put your foot in your mouth further.

That "child" was more physically built with quicker footwork then a lot of adult men at 15 and he got bigger, more experience and was able to have a 100% focused athletic lifestyle all prior to even starting MMA.

 

As opposed to say, Marciano? Started at 25 and became a champion in a weak era. Retired undefeated. Or Ron Lyle who knocked down George Foreman after learning to box in prison in his early 20s. Or even Liston who had a similar story.

These freakish guys exist in almost every sport. Brock was one of the few exceptions you mentioned.

 

The bottom line is MMA is a sport made for thugs, rednecks and the unclothe. There is nothing graceful about watching men pick up and slam someone to the ground, for to them punch and elbow smash their skulls in on the canvas.

 

http://www.index.hr/images2/Lesnar16god-v.jpg

Yeah no way he might just be a goddamn freak.

 

MMA is a sport for people who felt that all the other combat sports at the time were too limited. If the goal of boxing is to hit and not be hit MMA has the same goal, just different and more efficient ways to go about it.

Also you rarely ever see MMA fights where a guy gets beat so bad that he's never the same like Chavez did to Taylor or Frazier did to Ali. MMA fights are usually stopped long before that and are usually safer for the athletes themselves.

If you don't think throws are beautiful I don't know what to tell you. This looks pretty beautiful to me.

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