Those of us who were too young for prime Tyson should appreciate what Jones is doing.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Haggis McJackass, Mar 23, 2011.


  1. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think this is something that is often forgotten, however I would add that even beyond the skill pool being shallower in MMA, MMA is still discovering what is even possible!

    I say this taking nothing away from Jones... Jones' presence on the scene of MMA is amazing, but at the same time, MMA is quite young as a rule set used to approach fighting. Guys are still boiling down what is fluff, marginally useful, is devastatingly effective, and attempting to push the boundaries of that based on their physical skill. Jones seems to bring a fluid simplicity.

    What does that mean? That means that Jones could be the shocking whirlwind that Mike Tyson was in a heavily refined sport. Or, he could be another rapid leap in the evolution of MMA in the same vein that BJJ, Shoot Fighting, and the Miletich system were. In all of those cases, they signaled the dawn of a new breed of even more complete fighter, but they were all adjusted to and nullified.

    Time will tell.
     
  2. CrimsonBeast

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    +1.I believe when mma becomes truly refined we will see the art portion in mma show its face and how beautiful it will be :hat
     
  3. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep. We might have just seen it.

    The fluidity of transitions in JJ's game was insane. You could see Shogun "switching" styles and by time he was "ready"? Jones was attacking him with something else. Finishing strikes with his back turned comfortable he would be OK. Who the hell does that?!?! :yikes

    That JJ attempt at the leg lock and back fist was insane. You could see Shogun go, "OK BJJ, he is going to try to... BAP! He is punching!"
     
  4. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Bump.

    Yep what a moronic thread, Jones is surely not dominating one top-level opponent after another and brutally stopping them all seemingly with ease. :patsch

    Who's next for Jones? And what do the betting odds look like? Is there anybody out there who will come close to being even money against him? How about someone who's even money to hear the decision read out? :lol:

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  5. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Five wins in title fights now. All five of them dominant, four of them by brutal stoppage. Nobody in the division is viewed as a serious threat anymore. Yep, he's Tyson-esque. :yep

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  6. boranbkk

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    Never seen this thread before, but you can't compare Haggis mate.

    The buzz around the great Iron God was immense, like nothing I've seen before or since in the fight world. He was everywhere, on TV in the newspapers, multiple books & sponsorship. The whole world knew about him and was fascinated and in awe, the world just couldn't get enough.

    Don't see that with your boy....er.....what's his name again?
     
  7. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    I made it after he beat Shogun. :good

    Boxing is a much bigger and more established sport than MMA.

    My first memory of combat sports is watching Douglas beat Tyson and seeing my dad and a couple of his mates go ape**** while it was happening. I'd seen fights before, but that's the first one I remember. I don't remember the fight itself, just the reaction from the people watching it.

    Jones is the closest thing I've ever seen to a young Mike Tyson. Bursts onto the scene, destroys everyone, looks invincible, seems like the GOAT in waiting.

    Maybe Jones will self-destruct like Tyson did. But when I made the thread, and even more so now, he's the closest thing going. Wanderlei did his thing in the dark ages. Anderson is more dominant, but Anderson was already 30 when he made his UFC debut. Jones is potentially going to be around for another 10-12 years. :yep

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  8. KERRIGAN

    KERRIGAN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones is clinically efficient and somewhat unorthodox(and may well be the greatest Light Heavyweight in the history of MMA), but the Tyson comparison just doesn't work at all for me.

    As for your mentioning that Jones may be the GOAT, well why then compare to Tyson, who nobody believes is the GOAT?

    Tyson stirred up primal instincts in people, the interest that Jones stirs up is more of a dull intellectual interest in how he uses his size to such great effect.
     
  9. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Well, look.

    When Tyson was coming up, and then up to Spinks, Bruno 1 etc, he was just ripping people apart. He had speed, power, ferocity, physicality, everything. He pretty much wrecked the entire division. People were scared to fight him. They weren't losing decisions, they were getting ****ed up.

    Jones is the same in his effect on the division. LHW was a very competitive division for years. Until Jones came along and brutally smashed everybody, and now you can't find a guy who's even money to win a round against him. :lol:

    Obviously they aren't exactly the same. Tyson's a ghetto kid who was training seriously since he was 14, Jones comes from a comfortable home and is a relative newcomer to his sport. Tyson was short like a pit bull, Jones is a top-heavy giant. Obviously there are many differences.

    But their effect on the division? The same.

    Jones still has a long road to travel. He'll go up to heavy and maybe not be so successful there. But there's no rush. He's only 25. Still improving, still making weight easily, still has a couple of guys to fight. But at this point in time? And when the thread was made? He's Tyson-esque. :good

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  10. gyll

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    Two completely different phenoms for me. Tyson was far more ferocious, exciting, and dynamic. He knocked out guys bigger than him. Bones fights guys who appear smaller. He doesn't knock people out. He breaks them down. Jones is more disciplined and has better skill sets but lacks that larger than life quality. Everyone loved Tyson when he was on top. More and more people love to hate Jones. But that isn't necessarily bad.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Bull**** I'm afraid.
     
  12. Peter__1987

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    Tyson did face good fighters, it's a myth that he only fought bums, he just made them look ordinary.

    See Michael Spinks fight.

    In regards to the comparison between Jones and Tyson, they're similar in the way they are running through opponents with ease.

    But as for hype? not even close. Tyson was a household name across most the world, Jones is nowhere near that.
     
  13. Haggis McJackass

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    Jones has been making world champions look like helpless children.

    And with the hype? Jones is not in a position to achieve instant Tyson-esque levels of fame. His sport doesn't have that kind of cultural significance or international reach.

    But in the MMA world, Jones is a megastar. His every move is dissected and discussed. Everything he says is put under the microscope. He's beginning to be a crossover name, and if he's still the champion in two years then he will be legitimately famous in the mainstream. :smoke

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  14. Peter__1987

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    He doesn't have the fear factor/mystique that Tyson had, as someone said earlier, people had lost to Tyson before they even laced a glove.

    I undertstand the point your trying to make, Jones is also destroying competition with ease but i don't think it's anything like what Tyson was doing.

    For one he lacks the personality, for two his sport isn't big enough to be a global superstar, and for three, well, he just isn't Tyson.
     
  15. KERRIGAN

    KERRIGAN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are better off comparing Jon Jones to Roy Jones, than to Tyson.