Those Philly middleweights

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    Looks good.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    Giardello or Hopkins at #1
     
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  3. AwardedSteak863

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    Good point! Honestly the 60's middleweight division was so deep, just to be ranked in the top five was a hell of an accomplishment. Giardello, Tiger, Carter, Archer,Benton, Fullmer, Hank and of course the tail end of Sugar Ray. That right there is as stacked a divison as you can get.

    Just think, Tiger and Giardello went the distance together four times and split the series two to two. Conversely, BHOP fought Robert Allen three times. How do those two series compare? I think Giardello faced way tougher dudes.

    I'm not knocking BHOP at all. I think he is an amazing fighter but if you put him in the 60's against the competition listed he definitely has a loss or two at least.
     
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    BHop never fought the talent Joey G fought. Just because you held a belt in a weak era doesnt make you better. That type of thinking never made sense to me.
    That's like saying Hugo Corro was better than George Benton because he held a belt. No No No
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Reading the J Russell Peltz book prompted me to revisit (and revive) this.

    I guess I’ll give it a shot with my own top 10 Philly middleweights:

    1) Bernard Hopkins

    2) Joey Giardello

    3) George Benton

    4) Bennie Briscoe

    5) Boogaloo Watts

    6) Frank Fletcher

    7) Willie “The Worm” Monroe

    8) Cutis Parker

    9) Eugene Hart

    10) Kitten Hayward
     
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  6. surfinghb

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    Gypsy Joe beat a Prime Cokes and Hayward
     
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  7. Saintpat

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    There’s a name you don’t see very often.

    He was indeed a superior fighter but those wins were more like welter/junior middle (like welter + a few pounds) and that’s where he spent most of his career. His best middleweight win is probably Bobby Cassidy.
     
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  8. ETM

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    I don't know that Frank Fletcher would have distinguished himself or gotten as far as he did had he come along in the 1970s. He was certainly an exciting warrior. Hart, Briscoe, Monroe, Watts just as tough and a little more skilled. JMO.

    Willie Monroe being the only man to convincingly best Marvin Hagler has to elevate him a bit.
     
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  9. ETM

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    I'm tempted to put Bennie Briscoe #1. I don't know if I could justify it but it feels like the right move in the spirit of the Philly Gym Wars. He also put in work when the lights were on.
     
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  10. ChrisJS

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    I think I put Giardello #1, Hopkins may rank higher in the pound for pound rankings, but purely at middle, I think Giardello gets the nod.
     
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  11. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another guy not mentioned that had exciting fights like the other guy's above was Charles Brewer. He'd lose some but also find a way to win. An exciting fighter.
     
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  12. Tonto62

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    I can't put him above Giardello.
     
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