Those scorecards were atrocious

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by WildStyle, Jan 17, 2015.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Hahaha, nice.

    Like Dan Raf scoring Berto/Ortiz to Berto.

    I am curious though for real which rounds these guys scored for Stiverne...
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I had the same score. I think I gave Wilder the 4th, 6th, and one other round after that (but not the 12th).

    What impressed me most was Wilder paced himself extremely well. He took some rounds off, but he never overextended himself when the temptation of inexperience surely could have overcome him. He was disciplined, and is a good deal smarter than I thought.

    His people did him a great disservice by not stepping him up in competition much sooner.
     
  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    gtfo, go take your 1month hiatus, AND THE NEW!
     
  4. attaboi

    attaboi Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The was a reason for that. Wilder started boxing at 20 years old so his people wanted him seasoned before the threw him in with the big dougs
     
  5. T.S.

    T.S. T.Stout Full Member

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    :deal I think Wilder's perceived power was a little exposed as over rated as he failed to score KO for first time but showed his ring IQ is higher than most of us thought. Agreed he was held back too long :deal Congrats to Wilder who showed he can fight smart, throw a good jab capable of breaking most HW's peek a boo guard and scoring points with it. He threw some good left right combos and was able to keep from getting cut off. He absorbed power shots to head and body but also, Stiverne seemed to lack steam on those punches IMO. I think his 219lbs is too thin to withstand a Wladimir Klitschko power shot like the one that "detached Pulev from his senses".
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    But they jumped from step 1 to step 7 without properly covering steps 2 through 6. There was no slow and steady escalation in opponents of note, barring maybe 2.
     
  7. WildStyle

    WildStyle J.C. Penny's belt $2.99 banned

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    It's not a power problem, it's a timing problem. The punches you see coming don't hurt as much. Pretty easy to see Deontay's punches coming. He's just been fighting guys who can't defend worth ****. Deontay has ZERO inside game and all he has is that overhand right and a decent jab when he throws it the correct way. The rest of his offensive ****nal is paltry at best.
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I was surprisingly somewhat impressed with several things Wilder did. But there is still a lot of room for improvement. I still think his chin may be suspect, but it's not as bad as I imagined, and he was surprisingly more elusive than I'd expected him to be at times. I'm not sour on his power - I think that's legit enough to KO any heavyweight. He didn't KO Stiverne, but I still think the power is real. And the chin and IQ are better than we realized. And the defense isn't quite so bad. He also answered questions about his stamina - and the way he paced himself is what impressed me most. Every time I thought he was running dry in the tank, he would suddenly seem rejuvenated.

    His balance is still bad, however.

    And that, I believe, will be his ultimate demise against someone - POOR BALANCE.

    :smoke
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    This!

    He was throwing the same straight lefts and rights straight down the pipe with little variation. He once threw a really good left hook, and he also had at least one decent uppercut after a few mini fiascos on that front. But he needs to mix up his straight punches with more variety in his speed, his angle, and the path of the punches.

    He has a lot of potential to improve though, but they should start on his balance.
     
  10. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree the scorecards were a bit too far fetched. Stiverne was the better side in at least 4 rounds. 112-116 or 111-117 would be appropriate. 107-120? come on.