Those who are convinced Margarito will take Cotto's "0," get in here.

LOCOPRO · Aug 3, 2008

ROFL @ all the duds who know nothing about boxing in this thread

enzo · Aug 3, 2008

Amsterdam said:

Anybody who actually favours Margarito, or thinks this will be very competitive needs to learn more about boxing. Margarito is not anywhere near this level, if the Clottey and Williams fights didn't prove that outright and the Cintron fight recently won Margarito's favour for you, please study boxing a bit.

The sad part is that people will be blown away by how easily Cotto destroys such a limited opponent, only because they actually regard Margarito as something significant, then they will be like 'Cotto P4P #2'atsch , flipping out like a bunch of uneducated ducks. The reality is that the Mosely win means more and will always mean more, as Mosely is an A level and Margarito is a B- level that can't do anything to the elite.

Hell, even the Quintana destruction means more and this fight will be over about as quickly, as Margarito has no defence and is weak to the body.

Enough of this bull****. Boxing fans are utter morons sometimes.
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You're a boxing genius! :good

Ambition_Def · Aug 4, 2008

Amsterdam said:

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I don't think anybody can own themselves like I can when these bold/confrontational predictions go wrong.
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I told you that you need to stay away from this classroom mantra when talking about fights. Boxing is essentially a fight and those attributes you have long dismissed are vital to being successful.

kflex101 · Aug 4, 2008

Ambition_Def said:

I told you that you need to stay away from this classroom mantra when talking about fights. Boxing is essentially a fight and those attributes you have long dismissed are vital to being successful.
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You on the other hand should take a bow. That analysis was so spot on I almost thought it was done after the fight!

DamonD · Aug 4, 2008

kflex101 said:

You on the other hand should take a bow. That analysis was so spot on I almost thought it was done after the fight!
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Yeah, top notch stuff. Not bad for one of Amsterdam's "utter morons" :yep

TommyV · Aug 4, 2008

LOCOPRO said:

ROFL @ all the duds who know nothing about boxing in this thread
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What for making a bold prediction on the fight? Where the ****s your prediction num nuts?

I see you have the cheek to say us who picked Cotto know nothing about boxing when you think Margo destroys Mayweather.

Slothrop · Aug 4, 2008

Ambition_Def said:

Margarito is the biggest guy Cotto has stepped into the ring with so far. At 5'11 and usually 160lbs by fight time, he's a pretty damn big welterweight. And it's fair to say he'd be a jr.middle.

His height, contrary to ESB hatorade, is actually used quite well to land long range overhand rights and lead uppercuts. When opponents back up they suffer for it (see Johnson, Lewis, Santos and others).

Margarito has very underrated punching power. He doesn't commit like Cotto does to every punch, but there is a method to Tony's madness. He likes to see what will get in first and when he sees that he can touch a guy in the same place over and over again, he will start to apply harder punches. See the left hook to the body on Cintron and how often Margarito found that shot in both fights. It takes him a while to find those soft defensive spots but once he does it's full power.

Margarito has been boxing as a pro for nearly 14 years. And he has sparred with the best in the sport. Sure his style is wild. But you don't get to the top by being inept as the dumb dumbs on this forum suggest. The reason why he does what he does is because it has brought him to two world titles and almost three. And it has essentially been what brought him where he is. Plenty of capable boxers have tried to box and move on Margarito and have failed. So to suggest it's so easy to hit him and move is just forum nonsense. Speculation at it's WORST.

I encourage you to watch these recent sparring sessions with Mora and Rubio. Watch how Margarito tucks his elbows to protect his body and look how he sneaks the uppercut in both at long range and in close. These will be effective strategies for dealing with Cotto who is shorter. Being shorter he will have to commit moreso on a forward offense to accomplish anything here.

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Two more points.

A: Miguel Cotto establishes his power by moving forward. That's where he does damage. When he's forced on the backfoot his power is very ordinary and he doesn't seem to do as well. His footwork going backwards is also of recent development and hasn't always been the best. He can be trapped on the ropes and hurt as illustrated in the Abdulaev fight.

B: Margarito's fight with Lujan proved one thing. That Margarito can beat a smaller man who comes right at him. While it took Margarito some time to warm to the task, he eventually started finding Lujan with uppercuts and hooks.

In conclusion it's possible that Cotto wins this. Nobody is saying he can't win. But this is going to be bar none the toughest fight of his career. And I think he knows this. Margarito is not a guy who you hit and have him going away immediately. He trades, he likes to trade and he will force the exchanges one way or another. Cotto has been hurt before and Margarito has the firepower to hurt him again. Margarito is also an excellent finisher.

In the Gomez fight they were showing some tools they will use against Margarito. They will try and land one shot at a time and move. One shot at a time and move. They will try to limit his output as much as possible and I for one don't believe Cotto plans on hurting Margarito. To do so he'd have to sit down at some point and that's asking for trouble.

What seems likely is that Cotto will box and move. But in my mind I see this gameplan having some issues as Margarito is not Gomez. Margarito will press much harder and as the fight goes on his pressure will wear hard. A Margarito who isn't hurt or damaged will have tremendous steam going into the second half of the fight. And how much Cotto can maintain at that point will be the question. Moving backwards all night is taxing on your legs and to me I don't believe Cotto's legs will make it through 12. I see a late stoppage here for Margarito as Cotto gets tired down the stretch. Look for the long uppercut to be the finisher.
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You deserve more props for this analysis.

Slothrop · Aug 4, 2008

LOCOPRO said:

ROFL @ all the duds who know nothing about boxing in this thread
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This is a pretty cool thread to revisit -- tons of self-pwning and some good analysis which turned out to be largely correct (especially AD's, which looks prophetic).

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