Thoughts about Tua-Ibeabuchi

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  1. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I had watched this fight recently again and this time I was scoring it for the first time and made my notes. I had it 115-113 Tua with the last round to Ike.

    First rounds are swept by Ike. The fight is in the inside and Ibeabuchi is the more aggressive and active fighter. Lots of punches thrown but many of them land on guard, forearms and elbows. From about 6th Tua changes his strategy. He decides to go to a mid-distance, pressing the fight. With more place to attack Tua lands more than in a inside brawl. He continues to do so later on, mixing his attacks from outside, step in, brawl a little bit and again taking step back. This was very effective and smart, Ike couldn't find his range and rhythm. Ibeabuchi's jab suprised me in negative way. He threw it a lot but without bad intentions, it was lazy, slow, no crisp. Tua easily ducked and slipped it.

    Ike also often had his left hand very low, and Tua landed some big right hooks on him. I saw many flaws in Ike which I didn't saw before. This fight will be remembered for its punch thrown record and this fight branded Ibeabuchi as a heavyweight monster with power, speed, chin, stamina. But when you look closer he ain't that good. Still I rate him as one of the top HW's from the 90's but his aura of invencibility is gone.

    And what are your thoughts about this fight?
     
  2. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    was a great fight that will be remembered for so many reasons. The sheer size difference and the punch stats for one thing.
     
  3. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    I scored it even at 6 rounds a piece. Ask me to pick a winner and I'd say Tua because he landed the heavier, more damaging blows throughout the fight.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I had Tua winning a close fight. Rare thing these days to see 2 undefeated heavyweight contenders actually looking for tough fights and risking it all.
     
  5. buster007

    buster007 FAB 4 R A GAY PORN CLUB Full Member

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    i think that is extremely inaccurate.
     
  6. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Ike looked bad when Tua wanted to box him, step in and out. And Tua isn't the best boxer ever. His left is often low just waiting for right hook. When Tua started to fight smart instead of outmuscling Ibeabuchi, he was controling the bout.
     
  7. gregor

    gregor Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fight was close, and if someone sees it as 115:113 for any fighter is is OK with me.

    It is also true Ike was still quite crude fighter at this time. It makes his achievement against prime Tua only more impressive - there were a lot of fighters who were able to outjab Tua for a couple of rounds, but no one went toe to toe with him and survived the distance, let alone made the fight close (as I said, I do not want to discuss if it was 115:113 for Ike or for Tua, I think it is irrevelant in this aspect).

    What is impressing it that Ike, despite his shortcomings and lack of experience was still able to win with prime Byrd and Tua, having himself below 20 fights (I guess that also means he was only part-time boxer for a good part of his short career, although it is only my guess). This is also why I'm usually giving Ike some benefit of the doubt when discussing hypothetical matches - if Wlad and Lewis, who both had impressive amateurs career and started pro boxing as real professionals, were still able to improve their style a lot, I am almost sure Ike would do even more. By the way Tua, who generally went downhill after this fight, was nevertheless considered the best boxer of 90's without a belt by many.
     
  8. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I think tha Byrd wasn't in his prime yet, this defeat made him better fighter though. Maybe you're right that Ike would get better, but also he could go on a downslide. His stamina against Byrd looked worse than against Tua. Maybe because he was 10 lbs heavier than year before.
     
  9. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    I had Ibeabuchi winning 115-113. I thought he outlanded Tua with accurate, clean punches. As the fight went into the later rounds, Tua started landing good, heavy shots but they were too few and far between to get him out of the hole he was in, with Ibeabuchi dominant over the first half.

    Great fight though - I watched it a couple of weeks ago and it was a reminder of what Heavyweight boxing can be.
     
  10. carras

    carras Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had Ike by a round, but it was very close.
    115-113 either way is ok with me.
     
  11. buster007

    buster007 FAB 4 R A GAY PORN CLUB Full Member

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    i have never seen so many brutal shots by such powerful heavies that didn't ko one or the other.

    plenty of good heavies have copped big punishment and stayed on their feet and some even ended up winning, but there were dozens of big shots that would have ko'd virtually every other heavyweight.

    i watched a fight between alex leapai vs pieter cronje a couple of years ago and they litterally bashed each other every round and the ref could have stopped the fight for either fighter at almost every round and u would have thought, 'oh good he just saved the poor guy from permanent brain damage'.

    the difference with the tua vs ibeabuchi fight was that it was a much tidier fight.
     
  12. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    I saw it pretty much the same way. Ike early rounds, but he was clearly outboxed by Tua in the later rounds.

    The fight was excellent, because two evenly matched young guys were tearing non-stop into each other.

    But to say Ike was a second coming of anything as many believe is way way optimistic. He may have become better, no question, but he was basically a couple of levels below Lewis at the time (there's no shame in that though).
     
  13. Kid Presentable

    Kid Presentable Facial Blocking Full Member

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    i loved this fight. Ike got mystique because of his prison sentence but thought he squeaked by tua in this one.think lewis would have owned ike by keeping him at distance.
     
  14. patscorpio

    patscorpio Active Member Full Member

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    i remember watching this fight thinking tua was just going to knock him out because i had never heard of ibeabuchi. little did i know i would watching a top 10 1990's heavyweight fight. two fighters, in shape heavyweights with iron chins and punching power banging away at each other 12 rounds taking each other's shots with smiles on their faces. i thought ibeabuchi won it by a round but for all his flaws ike was a special fighter and a legit threat
     
  15. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I had Tua winning by a round. I was suprised Ike got the decision considering he was relatively unknown and Tua was really hyped at the time. Im still wondering why they took on Ike, but maybe they thought he was another Duncan Dokiwari?