Thoughts On Antofurmo/Hagler I & II?

Vito showed his greatness that night. He refused to go home without his belts.

 

I remember watching it. I thought Hagler won. Vito had great heart and determination though. I remember how sad I was when he fought Minter. I was a Hagler fan before he fought Vito, after that classic I was a Vito fan too. It is one of my favorite fights.

 

Fight one was darn close and a draw was an understandable result. Hagler blew it, or rather his sometimes baffling ability to blindly follow what the Petronelli's tell him, cost him. Hagler took it too easy in the later rounds, boxing on the back foot which meant Vito could come foward and fight to his strengths.

The rematch was perhaps Hagler at his most Marvelous best.

 

There's nothing wrong in being an Autuofuermo man. I am one myself. You have dopey critics floating around here saying "hagler blew it" - bunch of crybabies, instead of putting the blame where it belongs-on Vito. Up to that point, Vito only had one loss if you dont count the other two being on account of cuts. I think Cosell was right in giving Vito the credit and even said before the announcement that it could be a draw.

 

Yes, I had Vito the fight 7-7-1 but the 13th was a big round for Vito when he staggered Hagler and urged him to mix, I thought there were many even rounds but I felt Vito deserved the win and gave the even rd to Vito and the fight 8-7, because a lot of the rds Hagler won were edged. Hagler did not by any means take Vito's title and Vito was no Misquito

 

I definitely need to see this fight again. Can someone post it on youtube.com?

 

Kenmore, check your PM's

 

11-4 for Hagler. This draw was nearly as bad as Whitaker-Chavez; Chavez clearly won, just as Hagler did.

 

The Associated Press scored the fight 143-142 for Antuofermo. It just depends on ones view of the fight.

Scartissue

 

There Were A Lot Of Close Rds But Vito Fought His Fight Getting Close To Hagler And Mauling Him...title Did Not Change Hands That Night And I Thought Marvin Was Going To Walk Through Vito, I Respect What Howard Cosell Called Vito's "intestinal Fortitude"and There Was No Way Hagler Deserved The Title Imo..vito Kept His Title

 

Just watched it last night...here is my card:

I gave Vito rd 1 and hagler 2-4
(I have hagler 39-37 you 40-36)

I gave Vito 5 and Hagler 6-7
(Hagler 68-65)

I gave Vito 8 and Hagler 9-10
Hagler 97-93

I gave Vito 11-14
133-133

I gave Hagler 15
Hagler 143-142

a big difference is you called rd 6 even (i scored hagler) The judges ALL had 1 rd even by their card totals as well...so if I gave Vito a 10 in rd 6 a draw is right in line.

Part of the controversy IMO stems from 2 things perception:
Are body shots equally comprable to jabs (do you favor or score one higher than the other?)
What is more meaningful to you nice combos' and slightly more pucnhes or harder cleaner shots?
Some rds were so close it would probably be decided by what the judge counted more effectively.

The second factor is the 10 point must system:
I found 9 rds very close and don't think it would be a surprise to see some one choose rd 1,2,5,8,9,10,11,13,14 differently than I did.

there were 6 rds that were decisively won IMO 3,4,6,7,12,15
but none warrented a 10-8 rd. By the way 5 of those 6 were hagler rds. IMO

Meaning Hagler won 5 of 6 decisevely While the rds Antuofermo won were much more tightly contested. I think because hagler controlled the action in the rounds he won many people state he won the fight. IMO their argument should be against the 10 point must system and not this actual verdict which I find very fair (although I had Hagler by a point!)

I could feasibly score 3 more close rds vitos way (indicative of the judge who scored in his favor 144-142
or any of 6 rds to hagler (or even an even rd) indicative of the 145-141 Hagler card

I don't fin the judge who scored 143-143 of base if he chose rd 6 or another close rd as an even rd, just because I did not.

great fight, and should not be marred by any major controversy! IMO

 

I agree with this assesment. Back when i saw it on TV I thought Haglar got robbed. Recently I saw it on Ringside Classics, and could easily go with the draw.

 

For anyone interested debating this one one last time the full fight has been posted on YouTube in the last coupla days. Search "Marvin Hagler vs. Vito Antuofermo". My updated score: 146-140 Hagler. First 1,2,3,4,6,10,11,12,14,15 to MH. 5,7,8,13 to Vito. Round 9 even.

Still looks like a complete robbery to me.

 

Wow..I don't see any way hagler won 11-14, and certainly not all of them! IMHO!