thoughts on Bivol?

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  1. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol, I read yesterday comments in rbr and also started to criticize him ( was dumb from me, i know ), comparing to Haney and Shakur. After i watched highlights I take my critique back. Unlike Haney and Stevenson he desperately tried to KO him, but he couldnt and I cant talk **** about boxer if he tries, but just doesnt have KO power.
     
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  2. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bellew noted that Arthur's plan was to survive into the later rounds and try and catch Bivol late - Arthur is no mug, and is very good at blocking/catching shots, and he highlighted that Bivol is not a finisher who can unlock a KO; but he has never needed it to win.

    That said, whilst I think Bivol is the best technician in boxing in terms of fundamentals, him and his team should see some things to work on from last nights fight:-

    1) Whilst his jab to the body is very good, he uses it to enable head-hunting which he does do a bit much
    2) He should have realised the body-hooks were the key to unlocking Arthur especially after the knockdown
    3) Whilst his distance management is elite, he does tend to smother his work when an opponent is on the ropes, and his shot selection could be better / more measured at times

    What Bivol really excels at, is drowning his opponent, giving them no space, time to think, and always having them where HE wants them, and giving them VERY little openings (see his defensive stats).

    Even I sometimes get a bit frustrated when he doesn't pour it on for a stoppage - but I think that is mostly his defensive discipline kicking in? If you are miles ahead, why risk getting clipped?
     
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  3. Serge

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    He tried hard to secure the stoppage but Arthur fought purely to survive, threw very little in return and is very slick and crafty at being able to see shots coming and catch and block them on his arms and gloves. He wasn't easy to catch clean at all and his game plan was to survive and hope Bivol gassed out so he could catch him late while he was in a compromised state.

    As I've said numerous times before, a lot of these guys who've taken Bivol the distance are notoriously tough and durable and have never been stopped or very rarely have been and either never get dropped or very rarely do

    Pascal has only been stopped by a prime Kovalev who was punching holes in castle walls in his heyday and even then the iron-jawed Pascal finished on his feet in both fights

    Chilemba has only been stopped once and that was on an arm injury against Gvozdyk

    Zurdo, Richards and Salamov have never been stopped or even dropped before IIRC

    And obviously neither has Clenelo either

    Joe Smith has only been legitimately stopped once, as in not an injury stoppage, and that was by the murderous punching Beterbiev who is the only world champion in the sport who can boast a KO 100% and is arguably the hardest puncher in the sport and if not #2 or #3 at worst
     
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  4. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An elite fighter with elite skills but boring to watch because of his style...
     
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  5. Serge

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    Bivol doesn't run even though he has excellent footwork and he could easily do so

    He doesn't hold, let alone octopus grab his opponents to death everytime they manage to get into range

    He doesn't duck bellow waist level

    Doesn't avoid punchers

    Doesn't throw 5 punches a round

    Isn't a weight bully, let alone a massive one

    And he doesn't stink the joint out in his backyard against opponents he's way bigger, longer and heavier than

    He's aggressive, is constantly attacking, throws a lot of shots, and he's the smaller guy almost all the time sans against Clenelo
     
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  6. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mad skills
     
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  7. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's boxing like he's painting the portrait of his opponent, he uses his fists on his opponent's face as an artist uses his brush. And the guy moves like he has springs in his legs.
     
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  8. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    for me his stocks falled. He has bad punch selection for an elite fighter, this tomato can was on ropes with his hands up not throwing back and Bivol was pounding on his block, not landing anything and just wasting energy. And he doesnt like it to the body, I dont think he has glass body, because he doesnt lost his legs after that punch, but still...
     
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  9. MagicE

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    Glass torso

    Beterbiev will fold him in half
     
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  10. No_name_tard

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    Canelo fight was the only time Bivol was bigger than his opposition. The size difference against Arthur was so noticeable. He might have boasted a higher KO % if he would've cut to 168 which I think he said he could have made 2-3 years ago. He is a small light heavy nevertheless.
     
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  11. Serge

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    Yeah even against Clenelo the weight difference was 3-5lbs max. That's less weight than what Bivol is routinely giving away at 175 and a lot or way less sometimes
     
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  12. Serge

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    Like I said, Arthur is very slick and crafty at catching and blocking shots on his arms and gloves and he fought purely to survive and it's difficult to get someone out of there who is boxing purely ti survive and knows how to defend themselves. Had Arthur thrown more he would've been open to counter shots

    Anyone who watches the fight back again will be able to see how much of Bivol's work upstairs was blocked

    Bivol should've gone to the body more though and had he done so he would've got him out of there for sure
     
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  13. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Spot on. He is a good quality fight but he is not elite. People throw that term around so lightly these days. He was just spamming punches for 12 rounds vs a can who refused to fight back. An elite fight finishes him off quite easily.
     
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