Thoughts on Canelo-GGG rematch

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  1. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF is it with this constant "IB and I", are you 2 an item now?
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, but we're a hell of a lot more reliable judges than you and Isal.:thumbsup: And that might carry some weight with Rummy.
     
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  3. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good work as usual Rums!
     
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  4. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok little buddy, keep living the dream.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I have at this point probably over 1000 scorecards on here to back up my claims, what do have to convince everyone you're someone that should be listened to on the matter? Oh that's right, you're a confrontational and belligerent Mexican Canelo fanboy, you're totally unbiased and exceptionally reliable on the matter.:lol:
     
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  6. ElCyclon

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    In my best Trump impression "Nobody scores fights like me, IB and I have the best scorecards".
     
  7. CST80

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    Exactamundo.:deal:
     
  8. BCS8

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    I concur. The second fight was closer in that there are some rounds where Canelo does really quite well and it's easy to give to him. But this time round Golovkin also has more such rounds and it becomes easier to judge those too. I had it 8-4 GGG and while 7-5 GGG is possible it would mean giving Canelo all the swing rounds, whereas its custom to give swing rounds to the champion.

    I think the whole "OMFG Canelo is standing his ground" shock led to the next observation which is "OMFG Canelo is standing his ground ... HE MUST BE WINNING" - which does not follow. If one knew nothing about either fighter, or about the drama surrounding this fight, I can't see how Canelo could win.
     
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  10. Plummer1930

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    Sanchez knows the script,he knew what the result would be and knows GGG wins the third so he's happy,and very rich.
     
  11. IsaL

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    There's all kinds of different things people are saying to cope with GGG losing to Canelo.

    A big GGG fan even said Golovkin himself had sold out and was in cahoots to rig the fight to dupe millions of people for their money.

    My advice is accept the outcome and move on. It was not a robbery. They were both close fights.
     
  12. BigStiffIdiot

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    I am done with it now. I would sooner see BJS against GGG, a fight in which I see BJS footwork winning him too many rounds for GGG to win.
     
  13. CST80

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    Great post, and sadly 100% accurate, and plays right into the Max Kellerman "story of the match" narrative, which there's actually a hell of a lot of truth to, I did a thread touching on that a few years ago actually, not reinforcing it, but exposes it as a driving factor in scoring matches, pointing out how people can easily be swayed and drawn into a false narrative because of how the first round plays out.

    It happens way too often IMO, Froch getting dropped completely colored everyone's view on the first match with Groves, because they were so certain after the heavy KD, Froch was on borrowed time, causing them to miss the fact that he started creeping back into the match around the 5th round, and it was back and forth until the stoppage, as opposed to the one sided domination narrative. I got bashed repeatedly due to my scorecard in favor of Pascal over Yunieski Gonzalez, Jean had such a terrible first round, it gave people the false impression YG was doing are better than he actually was, because they were just waiting for the KO, they missed Pascal's impeccable defense, by dipping low, taking his shots on his back and shoulders, and winging in overhands in between YG's missed flurries.

    Another perfect example was Algieri's win over Ruslan, that first round jarred people so much it took them a good 4 or 5 rounds to realize Algieri was boxing Provo's ears off, then BJS gassing midway against Eubank Jr. and CEJ going all out, Billy Joe looked terrible, but if you go back and watch it, you'll see what I saw the first time, Saunders slipping nearly every one of the wild shots Eubank threw at him and still landing the cleaner counters.

    So yeah, OMFG Canelo's standing his ground, really colored people's view of the fight, and caused many of the to have a false perspective of what was really unfolding, it happens far more often than you think. Lucky for me, that never happens to me, I can shut out or block off anything, other's opinions, the commentary, the "story", the overall vibe and fell of the match when one fighter looks scared, the narrative so to speak, none of it phases me in the least, I cut through all of the bull**** and focus on what's landing and what isn't.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Man, I thought I could too, but in the 8th - which I was tilting towards Canelo btw - the commentators started remarking on how they thought Golovkin was winning the round. Then I wasn't sure of my score anymore. I rewatched it and suddenly it felt like a toss up round. So yeah, the "story" so to speak has a large effect on people's scoring. You may be able to filter out the noise but other people can't.

    I bet anything that if people were expecting Canelo to drive GGG back and to KO him, and that Golovkin was old and washed up, and he delivered this performance, a LOT more folks would be gushing on how "Golovkin is back" and how elite he was.

    It's sad how people can't see what's in front of them.

    It's like in classic, where there's a Corbett vs Tua thread going on at the moment. The footage of Corbett is very unflattering and Tua - well we all know Tua. Yet the thread has gone on 36 pages, somehow. Somehow people are "seeing" something that totally is not there.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    Frankly, I think you're being overly emotional about this, because a favorite fighter of yours lost.

    * Yes, Canelo does often get dubious cards in his favor, but that's not applicable here, as there were no unreasonable cards favoring him here.
    * Golden Boy and DLH have inclinations towards corruption, but so does every single other promoting outfit in existence.
    * B-Hop is simply a promoter doing his job, and based on your posting history, I get the feeling you've always disliked him.
    * If you and IB cannot find more than 6 rounds to give Canelo, respectfully, I don't think either of you is looking hard enough.
    * The only fans who truly seem "salty" are the ones making outrageous claims of robbery, in the official decision of a very close and competitive fight that could reasonably have gone either way.

    :smoking:
     
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