Thoughts on Canelo-GGG rematch

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Sep 17, 2018.


  1. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Although your entire post was a masterpiece that I completely agree with, the part I quoted here stood out. There is something REALLY offputting about the way Abel is acting. I'm not sure if he is kissing Canelos ass just to ensure they get a 3rd fight or if he is really just a p.o.s but it makes boxing look bad.
     
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  2. Wasteman

    Wasteman Certified Wasteman Full Member

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    I would like to see a third fight but only if it's hosted somewhere other than Vegas. GGG deserves the oppertunity to win back his titles under fair conditions but if this isn't possible he should fight a couple of top contenders, hand them their first losses before someone else does and then retire on a winning streak. Alternatively he could retire now with two questionable decisions on his record but with his legacy still intact in the eyes of most pundits and fans.
     
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  3. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    Looking that hard would mean disregarding evidence to the contrary. If I apply this I can make it 12-0 either way. And in the context of both fights it unfortunately is a robbery.
    Of course it was close, it was one round on one card away from being a draw. But getting there is the problem, 2 close GGG wins were the most likely outcomes.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I had GGG winning both fights. 116-112, and 115-113. The difference, for me at least, is that there were more closer rounds that could have gone either way this time around. Ergo, I maintain that the first fight was a dubious draw, but there is nothing the least bit controversial about Canelo being awarded a majority decision in the close and competitive rematch that reasonably could have gone either way.
     
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  5. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I would like to see them fighting each other a 3rd time for their next fights. The reason? Because GGG has very little left. You could tell he was giving it all he had in some of the later rounds. And now that he has a loss on his record it is all about the money. So, he should fight one more fight, the last in their trilogy. He has more than earned it. Let Canelo, who is in his prime, step in with Charlo, Lemieux and BJS, AFTER he fights their third fight. After that Canelo, in 2 or 3 more years can step in with Spence who will then be a MW. Have fun Canelo.
     
  6. Wasteman

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    Abel's recent antics vaguely remind me of the way Roach was behaving when Pacquiao got robbed by Horn. Overall I'm not sure if it's just me but something does seems a little off with him.
     
  7. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I think you are misreading Sanchez and GGG. They are playing to Canelo's ego because he holds all the cards. We also know Canelo is a greedy, little b@astard and since he has been in with GGG twice already he feels can mitigate the danger he poses, he will be inclined to fight the third megafight before stepping in with someone his own age. Why leave money on the table? He won't.
     
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  8. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Absolutely excellent analysis and video Rummy.
     
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  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Great video as always!
     
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  10. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    The deciding factor is doubt in your case, which is reasonable. I think we should evaluate the evidence as objective as possible and not read into it too much, like the "story of the fight" or expecting one or the other fighter to come forward.
    If that doubt is still too big, make that fight a draw, no problem. But ask yourself, why did you score it for GGG? And if it's harder to give it to Canelo, where does that resistance come from? I think if you asked most people with a gun to their head, who won it and also told them you knew the perfect right objective answer (there is none I know) and they better get it right, most would pick GGG. Because the resistance to pick Canelo would be greater.
    There's a reason for that.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Its hard to believe, dare I say unreasonable to believe that two of the three official judges just so happened to have scorecards that favored Canelo, in a match that almost everyone else who's remotely remotely reasonable without a vested interest in the outcome scored it for GGG or a draw. If its so reasonable, then why couldn't you find two more rounds to give him? It reeks of favoritism and corruption, and that's just not something I'll ever be cool with.

    Does that mean I should be all happy go lucky about it? Of course there is, and I'm usually pissed when it happens.

    I vacillate with people frequently, I can adjust my way of thinking on someone rather easily. In the grand scheme of things I don't dislike Hopkins one little bit, but on a few of his idiosyncrasies, I can find him repellent at times. I'm sure people on here have the same opinion about me. @IsaL recently stated something similar. I can overlook some small things, but I can viciously attack them as well. I like Hopkins and De La Hoya and still do for that matter. Sadly it used to be a lot more than it is now.

    Why didn't you score it for Canelo then? Did you not look hard enough?

    Kovalev against Ward.
    Golovkin against Canelox2.
    Martinez against Cintron and Williams.
    De La Hoya against Sturm.
    Lara against Williams and Canelo.
    Felix Diaz against Peterson.
    Botha against Briggs.
    Arguably Loma against Salido.
    GOLOTA against Byrd and Ruiz.

    I could go on.... but you get the point.

    There's a clear pattern here, you know it and I know it. That's part of the reason many of us get so annoyed. For the record, I get equally annoyed when American fighters get robbed in the UK, Germany or Russia.

    Although I will admit, I'm far less broken up when its a fighter I don't care for all that much getting robbed.o_O
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That's all I was getting at. :lol:

    No shame in it.

    But I maintain, of all the official decisions I've seen where I personally scored it differently, this definitely gets filed under "nothing controversial" in my book.

    :smoking:
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Then I guess we can assume that's why you have no issue with GGG getting screwed either right?o_O:sisi1
     
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  14. BCS8

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    I just feel it's deeply unfair for a multiple belt champion and legend to be shafted on the cards when the usual trend is for the challenger to need dynamite and a bulldozer to dislodge a long reigning champion from their perch. If Golovkin was the Vegas fighter the cards would have been laughably wide in his favour.

    He has to have understood that if it went to the cards he was going to lose; I guess that he looked at the money, looked at his kids, and decided it was a risk he had to take. Doesn't mean we have to be happy though.
     
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  15. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Canelo walked thru him. Deal with it.