Thoughts On Canelo Using PED'S ?

I never suggested anything that would make your analogy of quantum physics state of indeterminacy a valid example.
Everything i wrote suggested that they were guilty or not-there was no reason to doubt this nor make it explicit.
My main point has always been we have no good idea what percentage of using-but that saying everyone is using is an extreme, faith-based belief that is supported by no reasonable evidence.

lufcrazy you are calm & polite, but sometimes you get basic arguments I claim *wrong*.
Where do you see me weighing in saying that boxing does not have many PED users?
Again, I do not know how many use. Or which ones have dabbled, which are big time, body capacity performing cheats.
It could be only say a maximum of 1/5th that ever used, or it could be the vast majority!

Either way, it could meet a definition of "riddled" with PED abusers.
I have betrayed no psychological difficulty accepting the much higher or way lower reality---> When we might actually get some real indication of how common it is.

The reason it is very fair to wonder about whether you believe what you want-which you never answered directly-to resolve uncertainty & as an understandable but highly cynical reaction to disappointment (you are likely an idealist like me)...

Is only you come to a highly unambiguous, extreme conclusion on the face of no good evidence.
If some guy or athlete says he believes everyone or nobody uses-let's look at what is *their* evidence & rationale.
You can find tons of quackery & insane conspiracy theories, Q-Anon, about racial supremacy...

The evidence must be closely examined.
But when you say all pro athletes in all sports use-when we have no good reason to know if anything like MOST use PEDs in most sports...
This falls into the category of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

 

I believe that you can see when he started juicing. In his early years he was a very active fighter. Then he started fighting like 2 times a year. I bet that's because he was cycling.

 

How long have you been a boxing fan? Every fighter that has reached the top slows down and stops fighting as often as they did early in their careers.

 

In 2012 Canelo stopped fighting 4+ times per year and started only fighting 2 times a year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canelo_Álvarez

It's my opinion that is when he started cycling.

 

In 2015 GGG went from fighting 3/4 times the prior years to only 2 fights. Is that when he started cycling?

 

There may be good reasons to suspect this particular athlete of juicing, but what you site is not one of them.
As ElCyclon showed you, it is pretty basic that more successful boxers tend to fight only a couple times a year.
They wait for big matches, big paydays & title fights.
They are risk averse, & there is too much prejudice against any losses-so if they avoid more & some tough matches, they may look better in W-L, than if they had many more fights with better opponents-to people who do not understand boxing that well. Including most casuals.

But this is what almost all do when they get successful!
Even decades before-heck for over a 100 years-the champs do not need to fight often & are averse to risking their titles.
Whether Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Tyson, Holmes & numerous other guys, they fought MUCH less often when very successful, especially if holding even a part of a title or belt.

 

1) GGG fought 3 times in 2015
2) GGG has never popped for PEDs

 

OK, maybe.

 

You mean, he's never been caught. More than likely most of these guys at the top of the sport are juicing.

 

Or just the guys that get caught

 

Or maybe Canelo as not as good at juicing as some of these other guys not getting caught.

 

Reminder : Canelo has never been caught using PEDs. He tested positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol due to meat contamination. That has nothing to do with taking drugs or "cycling". It's simple meat contamination, a well known, well documented problem in Mexico.

The extent to which fans try to use this incident as some kind of proof that he was using PEDs and got caught is off the charts mad. Canelo is the cleanest athlete in the sport. He has been the most rigorously tested athlete on a regular basis in the sport.

 

A well known problem? Maybe Canelo should have known better then?

 

Perhaps he should have. In retrospect, dining with Bill Clinton at a restaurant was a mistake, but that doesn't make him guilty of doping or using PEDs.