Thoughts on Esteban de Jesus

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  1. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

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    Do you consider him a great fighter, or simply a very good one?

    How highly do you rate him at lightweight?

    Does the Duran win rank among the best in the sport's history?

    Does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
     
  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Great. If not for Duran, rules the lightweights for long time.
     
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  3. Tin_Ribs

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    Yeah, great fighter imo, certainly talentwise even if his record isn't as stacked as other great lightweights. Lightweight is the deepest division ever historically so not top ten. Maybe 15 though and definitely 20 I'd say. Had a number of very nice wins outside the Duran accomplishment.

    He was a bit like a smaller version of Napoles but without the iron chin and late rounds stamina. Great smooth offensive counter puncher with excellent upper body and head movement, very good power and combination punching ability, especially his left hook. Very good feet too; lots of little light half steps to control range. A really complete boxer puncher in general but very undersized for the weight unfortunately, which worked against him against bigger foes of similar or superior skill. Especially over 15 rounds.

    I mentioned Napoles earlier, which is an ironic comparison because of the Cervantes fight. Just like Napoles-Monzon in terms of the colossal size difference. Small welter versus massive middleweight; small lightweight/natural feather versus huge light welter/welter.

    DeJesus against Buchanan would have been a compelling fight with Esteban's better all round offensive game and fluidity vs Buchanan's jab, mobility and android-like stamina and durability.
     
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    DeJesus was a great fighter. He came along at a time there was an Uncommon champion in Duran. He still managed to make a name for himself and even beat Duran once. Just the beatings DeJesus took against Duran physically didn' do him any favors.
     
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  6. Neebur

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    Brilliant win against Duran but it was a 10 round non title fight above lightweight so it doesn't rank as one of the best in history.
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he's a great fighter based on the eye test and beating a fighter like Duran. His resume is likely only very good, but the other factors make him great.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I had him at #21 at lightweight. Lightweight is deep enough that you could make an argument for great. Unbeaten at the weight outside of Duran, which is next door to unbeaten at the weight.
     
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  9. Tin_Ribs

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    I've long wondered if DeJesus losing to Antonio Gomez was on the up and up. Venezuela was notorious at that time for iffy officiating and home cooking in a similar vein to Argentina and it was a points loss in Caracas. Gomez was a heck of a fighter though, very skilled technician who also beat the young Cervantes (albeit in Venezuela also). A bit of a forgotten man.

    DeJesus would've been a beast at featherweight/super featherweight in this era btw.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he was not great. Come on.. He lost to Cervantes also
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

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  12. klompton2

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    I suspect he was great but he couldnt really prove it because he was sandwiched between two all time greats, Duran and Cervantes. As it stood I think he was terrific. Of his five losses only one came against a non-champion and three came against the previously mentioned all time greats. His style beautiful to watch. Yeah, without Duran he would have dominated for a long time.
     
  13. McGrain

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    He's got two losses at 140lbs, one at 126lbs and two at lightweight. And the two at lightweight were against Duran, so he's next-door to unbeaten at lightweight.

    I'm not sure i'd call him a great lightweight, despite this. Duran was in the way. But there are greater lightweights that he would have beaten - did beat, after all - so he was a fighter badly undermined by circumstances.

    I think Ray Lampkin was rated the top lightweight contender in the world when DeJesus repeatedly set him on his backside and dominated him. Ishimatsu was right up there too and i'm not sure DeJesus lost more than a minute of a given round; 15 round shutouts against quality opposition are very rare, but that's what I saw in this fight. 28-0 Hector Medina was ranked highly, too, DeJesus just brutalised him.

    He was very pragmatic, i think. He boxed in a very uncomplicated, simple fashion. If he saw a punching opportunity he took it and he was technically sure and quick enough to make it work. Horrible to fight or plan against; very good at uncovering or identifying a weakness (Schmeling gets endless praise for "seeing something" in two fights that I know of, i'm pretty sure that this guy did it every fight).

    Any other lightweight landing lead right hands on Duran? Can't think of any.

    He was a beast; maybe the best generational #2 in lightweight history.
     
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  14. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Good posts in this thread, thank You.
    I have a question for "the panel". Isn't it crazy that with his resume, De Jesus is not in the Hall of Fame while fighters like "Chico" Corrales, Arturo Gatti and Ricky Hatton are in?
    That's not to be disrespectful of those fighters, but I'm coming here from the thread about Duran's resume in comparision to Mayweather and Pacquiao so that caught my attention.
     
  15. No_name_tard

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    Shooting a guy right in the head might have to do something with that. Didn't Castillo also go to jail and it kinda killed his future push for HoF? Maybe I am confusing Castillo with someone.

    One tidbit: he was ranked #83 on Ring's to be the best: 100 best boxers in the history of Ring rankings, which ranked boxers according to their record against Ring rated opposition. He is ahead of the likes of JMM, Benitez, Morales, Ward, Buchanan etc. His resume outside of Duran gets underrated somewhat. Not an ATG resume but very comparable to say Castillo and Corrales, even Lomachenko. Lots of top contenders on it.
     
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