Thoughts on JCC Jr

I definitely thought it was an "English" stoppage but either way Lee was getting his ass kicked in there and with Steward constantly telling Andy about how tired Chavez was tells me Andy was ****in' exhausted which never allowed him to box as he should've.

I thought Lee did very little in there that suggested he could've turned it around. And with the leg cramps according to Chavez, I very much believe he could've stopped him properly in the 7th and had him hurt as early as the 5th.

I still think Martinez smokes Jr. but gives Pirog, Sturm, Geale and Golovkin all incredibly tough fights...whether he beats them is a bit up for debate. Pirog can box a bit so he might take it to the later rounds but can he keep up with backing up that much? I doubt it. Sturm is old as **** and will get knocked out for sure. Geale can present some problems but the chin factor gives Jr. the edge and the win IMO. And Golovkin will be the guy closest to Martinez that has the KO chance...if he can't knock Chavez out (which Im very confident Martinez will...not so much with Golovkin) that fight would look a lot like Lemieux/Rubio.

Essentially though, if Martinez/Jr. gets made and Chavez makes it through with flying colors, he really doesn't need to fight any other MW and can move up immediately. At SMW though...I can't think of a contender that wouldn't beat him up badly. A good test would be Abraham maybe? Then move onto Bute or Pavlik?

 

I think he is better than I thought. At some point I think he will make believers out of all of us. And from what I saw, he is not going to be an easy task for anyone.

 

Very true. If he gets past Martinez with relative ease...I'd not only be surprised, but favor him over a large number of SMW

 

He had a better chin than I thought. Lee cracked him fairly well a handful of times and Chavez showed ZERO and I literally mean ZERO signs of effect.

He's still the same fighter I've been watching in the Zbik fight though. I'd love to see what him and Martinez make of each other.

I see a FOTY KO victory stoppage for Martinez IMO.

 

As far as the stoppage, I was ok with it. Lee was done. There was no need to see the guy take anymore punishment. As it stands I think his jaw might be broken. Lee definetly did not complain.

 

dodged the **** test

drug user.

(i reckon)

 

Not the quickest of fighters but he's a monster at the weight. Martinez does a Lacy on him though, just way too quick and he hits a bit more effectively than Lee as well. If Jr beats Martinez then he's a much better fighter than I'm giving him credit for.
Agree with Varg that Jr gives the other guys tough fights. Maybe beats some of them as well.

The top SM's should be way too much for him considering he'll have far less of a size advantage over them, Ward would toy with him.

 

Andy Lee was able to out box Chavez
Manfredo was able to push him backwards
Rubio was able to take his punches
Zbik got stopped by sturm who in turn lost to Macklin (who Martinez knocked out)

Martinez shouldnt have too much trouble

 

I don't think you could describe Barker as a pressure fighter.

Macklin yes. Thing is although smaller and not as tough as Jr he's a lot quicker and more skilled. I think that's what gives SM problems rather than just relying on pressure, brute strength and power.
Jr is better than I thought but nothing special.

 

How does he rehydrate so much in such a short time?

 

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Chavez didn't and cannot avoid the test. They just agree to take the sample after the fight. I am one of those waiting for that result. I hope he is clean. Boxing has taken too many blows lately.
There is definitely something weird. People like Roach, Ariza, and Chaves Sr. are too experienced. The fact he couldn't urinate before the fight and the fact he was complaining of cramps during the fight tells me he didn't rehydrate adequately. I just can't believe the people behind JCC jr. would allow something like that to happen. There is something very fishy going on here. Commissions should show up at fighters hotels a couple of hours before the fight and get the samples. Then get another the morning after the fight. MY TWO CENTS....