Thoughts on Jones Jr as an example of the definition

Fair enough. I don't disgree with you, particularly; it's just that the kind of guys I generally see floating around 60 or so are those that I'd call ATGs.

I think there are probably quite a few people on here that share your attitude, consciously or not - more than you'd think.

 

Basilo, Fullmer and Pender failed to take him out within the championship distance, despite each having more than one opportunity to do so.

To the extent that just one single punch with pillowed gloves does the job twice? (Robby played with six ounce gloves.)

Not a big fan of SRL, and no kind of fan of Tyson, who **** bricks over the idea of taking on old man Foreman. Holyfield is now 47, and still winning, having been stopped twice, only after taking substantial punishment. Griff was caught cold while still a welterweight by the hardest hitting middleweight in the division (who failed to keep him down), and after 14 rounds by a peak Monzon, which he avenged to an extent by going the limit. Nobody else ever stopped him. Duran competed well until he was nearly 50. (I'd like to see Roy go the distance with somebody the caliber of Camacho in 2018.) SRL was only stopped by Camacho at nearly age 41, but also after a hiatus of over six years.

Unlike Roy, they were not wiped out twice in a round or two by the likes of Green and Tarver, not dispatched by a single punch from the likes of Tarver and Jones. (And yes, I've ripped Lennox for losing twice on a single punch to two different mediocre challengers as well.) Decision losses to Tarver, Hopkins and Calzaghe I can take. Getting stopped by Green, Tarver and Johnson the way he did is a lot more to swallow.

 

I thought we have been through this. Stop and think about it.

 

Him being a not so good technical fighter,reflected that he relied solely on his athletic ability,when he was past his prime with bad ko's it was almost like he wasnt competitive against good fighters like Johnson and Tarver not even great fighters.theirs a long list ATG's that were still great and beat other great fighters past their prime such as Hearns,Leonard,Duran,Whitaker,ect.ect. so no he does not get a pass or excuse for him being past his prime that along with his weak comp and more importantly his weak competitive nature can only have in the late 40's at best and everything up to the 60's is acceptable,he should have learned technical skills but i guess trying to suck at basketball and rapping was more important.He does not get a free pass,he was very good but not great,im tired of hearing the 2 ko's dont impact his ranking it does and his willingness to freely duck anyone who he felt was a threat is everything that is wrong for boxing.