Thoughts on Magmed Abdusalamov

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Philly-Tough, May 12, 2012.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, he does have a defence, exactly the defence I outlined above. Why do people keep repeating this?

    He's hugely exposed to a right hand at the moment though.

    One has nothing to do with the other. Bernard Hopkins showed improvements after his thirty-first birthday for Christ sake.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: heaven forfend that a fighter with "no defence" should actually emerge and win a whole bunch of fights, you boys would have nothing to say.
     
  3. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's a sharp, aggressive, heavy-handed puncher with thunder in his left hand. With that said, he fights flat footed, is lazy on defense and his power may be a bit overrated. He's great to watch but it would be difficult for him to defeat any of the current top 10 HWs, IMO.
     
  4. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How can you rationally claim that Mago "has a defense" yet he is "hugely exposed to a right hand?" Can't you see that you are contradicting yourself?

    It is quite clear that Mago is easy to hit. Extremely easy. Everyone sees this. He is in dire danger of being KO'd by the first strong puncher he faces.

    As for age and improvement, trust me, they have a lot to do with each other. The "improvements" Hopkins made after age 31 were really adjustments, not improvements. At age 31, Mago has yet to master the basics. That's not a good sign.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: I don't know if you're kidding or not, so I'm just going to leave it alone.

    I have no idea what the difference is here, but I would say that Hopkins vastly improved in terms of feinting ability and added some cracking punches going away from confrontations on the inside. Finally, he continued to improve in terms of reading his opponents, something that he arguably did not perfect until his beating of Pavlik, arguably his best performance ever in the ring, his own pick for exactly that, and it came some ten years after you say he stopped getting better but made "adjustments".

    How can you think he has both "mastered the basics" and won't improve? Don't you see you are contradicting yourself?
     
  6. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I think he's definitely exciting to watch, you know that KO shot may be coming any time soon and he doesn't mind taking a shot or two to land his own, I find him very exciting.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What you are describing is suspense, not excitement.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    BTW, McGrain, I did see your post, it's very good, am not ignoring it. Just haven't the time to give it a proper response as it deserves.
     
  9. He's strong as hell but has bad foot work,not much speed and he has little defense. Byarm will **** him up.
     
  10. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    he must have learned his defense from Stiverne, how to block punches with his face
     
  11. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good observation.

    Another quality Mago has, despite horrible defense, is the willingness to really bring it, round after round. He's like one of those tough-as-nails monsters frrom the 40's & 50's.

    Still, I doubt he'll ever be a champion.
     
  12. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not kidding at all. If a guy constantly gets ripped by right hands -- potential KO shots -- then he has a serious defense problem. No half-knowledgeable, rational fan would deny this.

    In my experience, fighters who have problems blocking rights (particularly right leads) early in their career never overcome the problem. That kind of defensive flaw is physically or instinctively ingrained; no amount of gym work rectifies it.

    Mago's defensive flaws are far worse than those of Seth Mitchell and Tyson Fury, two other disturbingly hittable prospects.
     
  13. kenmore

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    He'll have to prove he can really take it before this observation holds up. In the small time leagues, where Mago is now, certainly he can "bring it on" despite taking punishment. Whether he can do that when hit by higher caliber foes is another question.

    But I do agree that guys like Mago are fun to watch...suspenseful, exciting, whatever you want to call it.
     
  14. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To me, the qualities of suspense and excitement go hand in hand. My guess is that Mago will turn out to be a dangerous-as-hell guy who fails on the world stage. But he may upset someone, or en route to losing, may floor and hurt whoever eventually beats him.

    These fighters are fun to watch.
     
  15. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not contradicting myself it all. The point, to put it bluntly, is that failure to have mastered the basics by age 31 (after a lengthy amateur career) suggests limited talent, and limited talent cannot be corrected.