Thoughts on Mayweather struggling with southpaws

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  1. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just finished watching Mayweather vs Corley, Judah and Ortiz.

    I noticed that vs Corley and Judah, Floyd relied heavily on his speed and reflexes. He relied on beating his opponent to the punch. His feints and amazing ability to not telegraph his punches allowed him to land the lead right hand, followed by either falling in with his arms forward, to somewhat push his opponent back, or ducking the left hand counter followed by a left hook to the body.

    In these two fights, you could see Floyd visibly off balance while lunging in to land these type of shots. He looks almost overly aggressive, putting himself in some awkward positions, almost falling down at times.

    Now in terms of guarding vs the southpaw, Corley and Judah have very good right hands, jabbing and hooking with it. They used the right hand as a southpaw should, for range, measuring and turning, right hook countering Floyd as he came in. The right hand is why Floyd lunges in with the lead right at such an off rhythm, to land his right before the right hook counter comes, duck the left, and hit the body with the left hook since its open now.

    Another big problem Floyd has vs a southpaw is his lack of head movement. Each time he would try to come in behind the jab, or double jab, he was countered easily by a right hook, and also a straight left from Judah(Zabs blazing speed plays a factor ofcourse) but with no head movement from Floyd, that jab gets countered every time, esp how he puts most of his weight on that lead left leg when coming forward.

    The reason Floyd had much success vs ortiz southpaw position is because Ortiz doesnt fight like a southpaw should, i.e Corley/Judah. He doesnt jab and hook regularly, controlling the distance and countering with it like he should. His jab was more like how a orthodox fighter jabs, hard quick and authoritiv, but telegraphed and mechanical, instead of rangy and focusing on that important right hook counter. Due to being right handed, he throws it like a power punch, feinting his way inside and launching a devastating hook which he did land but rarely. Youll notice how often Floyd was able to duck Victors left hand. Not only was he able to outjab Ortiz, which he could hardly land vs Corlwy or Judah, he was able to duck the straight left counter without worrying about a right hook smacking him in the face as he led with right hands all night.

    All in all, Floyds approach on how to beat a southpaw is very unorthodox. He doesnt outbox them, he uses his superior speed, feints and reflexes to beat his opponent to the punch. However while doing so, he has a tendency to lunge in, leave himself off balance and in an awkward position. He also gets hit with some of the cleanest punches you have seen landed on Floyd, which i believe is do to his aggressiveness and offensive style vs a southpaw. It leaves openings and holes in his defense that are simply not there vs an orthodox fighter. Have at it :bbb
     
  2. macalpinerules

    macalpinerules Active Member Full Member

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    I like what he did to Ortiz. It seems like southpaws bring out the aggression in Floyd and he starts out shooting that straight right lead from the opening bell.
     
  3. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Watch it again. Corley got owned by Floyd's jab in round 5
     
  4. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think, and ive heard fighters and trainers say, that you should pressure a southpaw. They have a natural advantage over orthodox fighters simply because there arent many of them out there. The angles are hard to adjust to. So applying pressure is a common way to fight them. Floyd just looks much more vulnerable do to his potshotting style and having to overcome those angles with sheer talent and boxing iq rathrr than fundamental boxing.
     
  5. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    Floyd seems to struggle early against most opponents because he is figuring out their movement and timing,Notice in his fights he gets hit more at the beginning. That is due to him taking his time and figuring them out.But once he gets them mapped out he dominated and thats in every fight,he had not only defeated EVERY SOUTHPAW HE HAS FACED...HE BEAT THEM UP.SO I DONT GET THIS MYTH ABOUT HIM STRUGGLING AGAINST THEM AT ALL TO BE HONEST
     
  6. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    exactly,people just are not use to seeing floyd be aggressive and walk fighters down,and thats what he does against southpaws
     
  7. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Got owned huh? Corley was as equally effective with his own jab that rd. Nothing came behind it. If u wanna say that was 'owning' Corley, thwn by all means.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

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  9. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    I dont understand this struggling theory

    1-he floored corley what 3 times
    2-stopped mitchell
    3-stopped ortiz
    4-beat judahs ass so bad he had to throw a low blow rabbit punch combo

    2 got stopped and the other 2 lost WIDE DECISIONS
     
  10. gyll

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    What people don't consider is an entire 12 rds. Is it really struggling when you lose 4 rounds out of 12? I suppose you can say in the first half of their fight Floyd was struggling with Judah. But overall, it was quite a convincing win for Floyd. A prime, fully focused Judah would give any elite problems in the first half of a fight. Not just Floyd. If memory serves, Floyd went toe-to-toe with Corley to make a statement in that fight. In doing so Floyd got hit more often than he should. He was more interested in exchanges. But that's not really his game.
     
  11. Slickstar

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    That's because you have selective attention and can only focus on what you want to see. Corley for the most part stopped jabbing 25 seconds into the 5th. He understood his jab would do little other than buy him time and delay the inevitable after Floyd thoroughly outjabs him in those 25 seconds. During those seconds, Corley's jabs either got parried or missed. Corley lands one jab to Floyd's body, and Floyd psychological shocks him by immediately responding with his own jab downstairs.

    As for the rest of the round, Floyd's jab was the only effective one: landing, controlling distance, and setting up other shots.
     
  12. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Considering they went life and death in rd 4, that was nice of Floyd to actually land maybe 5 jabs to Corleys 3. That was some serious 'ownage.' :rofl
     
  13. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldnt say he struggles with southpaws but hes obviously looked more vulnerable. He got staggered badly against corley after he ran into a right hook . He got legitimately knocked down by Judah after running into a right hand. He was hit with some big punches all around by Corley and Judah.

    Ortiz had him reeling a couple of times, though him and Mitchell are both very average which is why they didn't get much done - but you can bet a prime Pacquiao back then would have given Floyd fits.
     
  14. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    **** off ******* :tong
     
  15. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't get why fans always say Mayweather "Struggles" against southpaws, When Castillo, DLH and Cotto are NOT southpaws.