Thoughts on Prince Naseem Hamad

Lets see Tom Johnson coming into the fight with the Prince had 11 consecutive title defenses and hadn't lost in FIVE YEARS.

And JMM beat Barrera at JR LIGHTWEIGHT idiot-not featherweight.Least of all lets not forget MAB was no longer in his prime.

Wilfredo Vasquez was coming off FOUR successful title defences going in against the Prince but he was shot??

Now lets check out JMM at featherweight shall we?

Lost a close decision to Freddie Norwood in his first title defense.Not only that but got knocked on his ass.

Manuel Medina-yes the same ANCIENT boxer you pointed out JMM fought for the title.
Derrick Gainer-You know the boxer that KEVIN Kelly knocked out.
Orlando Salido-23-8-2
Victor Polo-37-4-3
Terdsak Kokiegym 24-1
Jimrex Jaca 27-2
WOW those are some impressive names.

Heres the thing.When JMM fought Norwood it was suppose to be JMMs coming out party.It was on HBO.He needed to make a statement and he didn't.The bout was horrible-Norwood totally confused JMM-even knocking him on his ass and the bout was boring.Not the kind of performance to make the public demand a Naseem bout is it?

Naseem wasnt shot at 27 he just didn't need to box anymore due to the amount of money he had made and it showed in his latter performances.

JMM doent beat a prime Prince at FEATHERWEIGHT PERIOD.
And he doesn't beat MAB at Featherweight either.

 

JMM was no better than Ingle, Soto or any of the other great contenders in the featherweight division at the time. JMM would of been ruined by Hamed in bodillo type fashion.

Oh and by btw Chava stopped fighting at a younger age to Hamed yet you still rate him as great.

 

No one bragged about the WBO belt, they talk about beating all the titlists, which he did.

Can't remember the dead fighter, but I think he was scandanavian and I think it was at 168, but I could be wrong on that, it was around 2002-2005 too

"marquez is still angry at hamed" - Google only finds your post on the entire internet Marquez had terrible management at this time though, they turned down the Hamed fight and Pacman rematch

 

The Norwood fight could have gone either way, Norwood was very good. Gainer was very talented and beat Norwood. Polo had 3 title shots and was robbed in all of them. Salido has just won a title knocking out the hyped up Lopez. Medina was a 5 time champ coming off a controversial loss to Tapia and would beat Harrison.

JMM beat MAB when they were the same age

 

Any fighter that has the type of bout that MAB had against Morales is not the same.Throw in the Pac beating and hes for sure not going to be the same.

Derrick Gainer vs JMM -ended in a headbut and Gainer wasnt that good.

Manuel Medina WAS WAY past it when he met JMM.

JMMs comp at featherweight was below Naseems.

 

And yet,people give out about MAB and Morales turning down a fight with hamed just after they had fought,which simply doesn't matter because MAB fought him the year after anyway and I'm sure had hamed wonlol:silly me),Morales would have fought him.Gainer beat Norwood,didn't he?Medina wasn't very good when he fought hamed,either.And as far as JMM's comp at 126,he drew with Manny Pac,which is light years better than anything hamed EVER did in his whole career.

 

Maybe you or those on this thread don't brag about the WBO belt,but please don't say the hamed fans don't brag about it,as it's been done on ESB many times.Google Marquez' Ring Magazine interview from a few years back.Maybe that will help.It's been on ESB several times.

 

JMM no better than Ingle,Soto or"any of the other great contenders in the featherweight division at the time"?Yeah,all JMM did was draw with Manny Pac at 126.And HAMED would have ruined him?Chava stopped fighting at a younger age(23)BECAUSE HE DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT you total ****ing nincompoop.Plus he beat Azumah Nelson,Danny Lopez and Wilfredo Gomez,who are LIGHT YEARS better than anyone hamed ever beat.Please continue posting because you are comedy gold

 

So what Johnson lost in 5 years?Who did he beat,Medina?WOW!!And he was 33 when he fought hamed.He simple wasn't anything special at that time.
And just where did I write that the JMM-MAB fight was at 126,IDIOT?Read my post again.I simply wrote it down because hamed lost to MAB and JMM beat him and Johnson was part of the discussion,IDIOT.Plus you ever so conveniently avoided writing down that JMM and Manny drew at 126.
Medina had 7 losses going into the Hamed fight.Just TWO fights before hamed,he lost to Luisito Espinosa,whom he also lost to 3 fights AFTER hamed,plus he was also stopped by Gainer about 2 fights after hamed.I simply wouldn't use him to build up Hamed's resume if I were you.And you wrote that the public wouldn't be clamoring for JMM-Hamed because of Norwood,?
So what Vazquez had those 4 defenses before hamed?Who did HE beat going in?It's just a ****ing numbers game when you consider the names and level of comp.Plus,Vazquez was THIRTY ****ING SEVEN when he fought hamed.You talk of MAB being past prime when he fought JMM,but are talking up Johnson and Vazquez,?Your comments are typical of a hamed supporter,which you claim not to be even though you're defending his pretty good resume at best as though it were class.
Yes,let's check out JMM at 126.Yes,he lost a WRESTLING MATCH to Norwood.I still rate him higher than Norwood and believe he would have won a rematch(es),though.Plus he drew with Manny Pac at 126,which is light years better than hamed EVER did in his whole career.
Another "Hamed was rich" excuse.It's been done before,zzzz.So many excuses for just one loss.See my previous post on the subject.Actually,I'm convinced JMM beats Hamed at 126 quite convincingly as the technically challenged hamed couldn't drag technically efficient JMM into the kind of undiciplined shootouts that hamed thrived on.But we'll never know,will we?And maybe JMM doesn't beat MAB at 126,but he DID beat him,something hamed couldn't do.For a person that he claims he hated hamed,you sure defend him with great zeal.Not very effectively,but with great zeal nevertheless.

 

Marquez would have annihilated him.

Barrera was the easiest of the three Mexicans stylistically and he was soundly beaten, 9-3 on my card.

 

Medina wasnt good when he fought Hamedatsch Right he magically he became better YEARS latter when he fought JMM.

JMM would have thrashed Hamed right just like he thrashed NORWOOD right? You left out that Norwood DROPPED JMM as well.


Wilfredo Vasquez beats Eloy Rojas who was a good champion for the title defends four times but is SHOT when he meets Hamed?

Cesear Soto was riding an 11 bout winning streak including taking the title when he met Hamed but WASNT ANY GOOD?

Tom Johnson had OVER 10 title defences but was SHOT when he fought Hamed?

And yet at featherweight JMMs claim is a draw with Pac after getting dropped 3 times?

Let me help you: If Marquez would have retired at featherweight would he be considered great?NO his greatest accomplishments were AFTER featherweight.

Hamed hit harder then Norwood and Pac.If these 2 dropped Marquez why isnt it possible for Naseem to drop JMM?

A classic counterpuncher is going to always have problems with an awkward boxer-hence why Norwood gave JMM fits.

And Ill bet you never saw Tom Johnson box other then Hamed.

Steve Robinson-who you easily dismiss-had beaten Hodskin,Mckenzie, and Mcmillan going into the Hamed bout and I wanted Robinson to win but Hamed EMBARRASED Robinson that night and then took him out.

Let me ask your opinion on this:

JMM vs Arguello at feather
JMM vs Eusbieo Pedrosa at feather
Who would yo pick to win these 2 match ups?

 

I'm having problems with my computer on this website,so I'm going to have to break up my response into several contris.Dude,you just have to get your facts straight because you attribute things to me that I never wrote.1st off,just where did I write Medina wasn't good when he fought hamed?Where?I never wrote that.I wrote he had 7 or 8 losses and wasn't VERY good when he lost to hamed.He was pretty good then.That's it.Now let's look at him again.2 fights before hamed,he lost to Luisito Espinosa.And in 2 fights out of 3 or 4 after hamed,he lost to Espinosa again as well as Gainer.And the public wasn't clamoring for JMM-hamed because of Norwood?

 

And so what Norwood dropped JMM?Marquez was dropped several times in his career(just like hamed).And guess what?JMM has never been stopped or ko'd despite being off of his feet several times.Norwood won a wrestling match that night,but I still rate JMM higher.In fact,had there been a rematch,I would have bet the house on Marquez,and I'm not even a gambling man.
(37 year old and 7 or 8 losses when he fought hamed)Vazquez beat Eloy Rojas.WOW.NOW I'm impressed.
And just where did I write that Cesar Soto wasn't any good?Dude,get your ****ing facts straight.I wrote that he was pretty good.That's it.
And just where the **** did I write that Tom Johnson was shot when he fought hamed?Where?I wrote that he was 33 and pretty good when they fought,ffs.

 

Yes,at 126,JMM's draw with Pac(in a fight many thought JMM won)is much more substantial than ANY victory hamed ever had in his career.Honestly,which of hamed's victims would have beaten or drawn with that version of Manny Pac?Seriously?
AND JUST WHERE THE **** DID I WRITE THAT IT WASN'T POSSIBLE FOR HAMED TO DROP JMM?WHERE?If they'd ever fought,there would have been a good chance hamed would have dropped JMM(beating thing is another thing,however).Dunno why you wrote what you did,though.
A disciplined,intelligent,tough counterpuncher(like JMM)that wouldn't get psyched out by hamed's antics is kryptonite for an undisciplined,technically shite fighter like hamed.That's why MAB embarrassed him.
And as far as "dismissing"(YOUR words)Steve Robinson,that's ridiculous.I've always had a liking for Cymru types like Steve,Johnny Owen,Colin Jones and Nathan Cleverly.Steve was tough and brave out of his peekaboo,crouching style.However,he was pretty good at best.Victories over McMillan,Hodskin and Duke McKenzie do not a great fighter make.So sorry,dude.

 

Finally,just wtf does a fantasy matchup between JMM and Arguello or between JMM and Pedroza have to do with this thread?However,just for the record,in my opinion,the Arguello that beat Ruben Olivares or Escalera beats any of these at 126:Hamed,MAB,Morales,JMM or Pac.And as far as a possible matchup between JMM and Pedroza is concerned,I'm just not sure.Although that would make a great thread here on the Classic.