Thoughts on the AA vs AD fight...

I posted this conclusion 2 days ago and people laughed at me

"Why Andre Dirrell will outclass Abraham!!!!"
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Thread, "Why Andre Dirrell will outclass Abraham!!!!"
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Now go to my thread repost and admit " you don't know **** about boxing"

 

well I don't consider being ahead on rounds before getting decked in the 10th and winning by DQ in the 11th to be "outclassing"

Abraham looked like he was coming on in those championship rounds and Dirrell was starting to get tagged more than in the early rounds. Its not like Abraham was ever gonna win a decision against Dirrell anyways.

Dirrell beat Abraham, yes. Dirrell outclassed Abraham, no.

 

(being that there are about 10 post about it....i wrote what i thought and i am going to copy and paste it on each to say my piece)


no way..you can watch that again and see it was a clear slip...in the same corner he slipped before.

I feel bad for both fighters...it was a ****ed up ugly mess and occurance.

I think it should just be nullified... no points for anyone and no dq on aa's record
Abraham didnt know he slipped.. abraham thought he was doing what he does..."duckin and jiving" when he is in the corner or against the ropes... he threw on instinct..much like roy jones did agains montey barrett... he was just in the mix and threw.

I can understand Dirrell being as upset as he was. hometown and all.
He did demonstrate the blueprint...and was winning no matter what any AA fan says.
Abraham should have said something to the effect of "i didnt know he slipped" not...he's an actor. or anything else... he talked **** about a guy that was clearly beating him.

Dirrell was not acting... he was zoned out like roy been in the past.... when you catch an uppercut on your feet at least you can absorb the shock and roll with it.... when you are low doing a goddamn split practically on a knee (and not from a punch) and you take an uppercut ...you can't even react accordingly....he got a bomb dropped on him in the worst way.

We know AA's power... he didnt perform well tonight. and he was lucky to not catch his first loss tonight that he was going to recieve.

A fine performance by Andre Dirrell...(hold your head bro)
and an unfortunate reaction by Arthur Abraham.

 

It was clearly the best fight of Dirrell's career. He wasn't completely running out of danger like he was against Froch or Steven's. He was sticking in the danger zone in the early part of the fight and working Abraham. He would land combos and turn him. Early in the fight he was breaking Abraham's guard and tagging him.

However, as another poster pointed out Abraham was coming on strong in the championship rounds and it appeared to me that Dirrell was fading a little(he was constantly going into the ropes). I disagree with the original poster and felt Abraham's knockdown should have been scored as such. The combination of Andre seeming to fade and Abraham landing more easily left in my view an opportunity for Abraham to finish the fight where Dirrell had the opportunity to keep on his bike and survive.

In the end it doesn't matter because Abraham threw his one chance away.

 

Good points, B.

I had actually predicted a SD win for Dirrell, having in mind that AA would come stronger in those later rounds.

 

Seriously? That's rewarding AA. Giving him a D on a fight he would have had an L on. He was down big AND gave AD an intentional illegal shot.

Come on.

 

That is terrific of you.

You may get a cookie from the cookie jar.

 

AA was definitely coming on in the latter rounds and you almost can't fault him, he needed to do something, the ref had called a clear as day KD as a slip, broken up the action once, so he had to do something...Dirrell needed to protect himself all times. But overall, it was just a shitty ending to the fight.

 

Dirrel was winning but abraham was wearing him down. Abraham scored two knockdowns. The first one was clean and the second one he landed the jab and dirrel slipped. If he gets hit before he slips its a knockdown. Then because it was getting rough in there, dirrel acted and took the easy way out. What a ****ing ***** dirrel is! No respect for him at all. Larry cole was horrible. If any fight in the super 6 was ridiculous it was this one. Total one sided reffing. Dirrel measured him all night without warning. Landed atleast 4 low blows, got cut by a headbutt, dirrel kept pulling the back of his head. All this is understandable but to not score those knockdowns is ridiculous and all that time to rest was silly to. NO RESPECT FOR DIRREL, anyone who acts like that is a total *****!

 

Thats fine but why did your boy take the easy way out when things started getting tough? *****!!! Abraham was on his way to stopping him. Plus the fight was alot closer than the cards.....abraham scored two knockdowns.

 

Nobody called the DQ heading in, but I called this fight just as it went down right up until the cheapshot.

Abraham outclassed by a slicker foe.

AA is a tough fighter, just outsized at 168 and with not enough skills to catch the slicker boxers.

 

This thread is by far the most accurate assessment of the fight of all the ones on offer, so it doesn't surprise me that this only has 10 posts and the others have 4 pages.

I don't completely agree, though. I had Dirrell ahead by enough to be able to run to the bell and still win but, at the same time, Abraham was definitely coming back into it. It wasn't a 'schooling' by any stretch. It was a quick-moving, dynamic boxer (who was had the better of the first two-thirds and was winning) against a slower power-puncher (who was getting stronger and stronger and inflicting more and more damage towards the end of the fight). To be honest, I thought we could be looking at the super-middleweight equivalent of Chavez-Taylor I, with Abraham catching Dirrell in the last round, but who knows if he would or not?

There were certainly some questionable decisions, but both fighters benefitted from them -- They were both reprieved of a knockdown, Arthur got some treatment beyond the normal call of duty, Andre got a break when he was he being pummelled etc.

However: it's all irrelevant, really. That was a straight illegal shot. As illegal as they come. Whether Dirrell was acting or not (or to what extent) is not the point. Abraham was stupid enough to do it and got punished accordingly.

Fair enough, IMO.

 

I'm gonna give my opinions on your points.

1- Abraham seems to wear his trunks very low. If he wore his trunks as high as everyone else, the ref would probably call most of those low blows. The thing is the opponent targets the beltline, so I guess instead of bitching about this, Abraham should wear his trunks at the same height as everyone else.

2- I thought the call was 50/50 on that being a knockdown. It happened very quickly though and they definately should've put a replay. You get hit and back into the ropes, its not necessarily a knockdown. The way I understand the rule, its only a knockdown if its obvious that you're gonna fall if there's no ropes. Abraham seems to be in a position where without teh ropes, he could (but not for sure) have kept his balance.

3- Dirrell wasn't going backwards when Abraham hit him. Abraham hit him, and then Dirrell tripped on Abraham's foot while falling to his right due to the punch. Its probable but not sure that Dirrell would've fallen without the foot being there. However, as far as I understand the rules this is a clear knockdown. There are so many knockdowns where a punch initiates the fall, but then some other factor makes it worse. For example, Hopkins putting Tito on the canvas. Hopkins smashes him with a right hand (if I remember right) and then bumps into him and pushes him down. Obvious knockdown though. I think Floyd got a shove in for his KD against Marquez too.

4- Abraham must've known that Dirrell was defenseless. It was definately a cheap shot. However its not sure that he knew his knees were down. It seems like he thought Dirrell was not completely down and didn't see that his knees were touching the canvass. However, Dirrell was definately down and defenseless. It was a cheapshot and just cause he thinks he might get away with it is not a good reason to throw it. Abraham deserved the DQ. I also think Dirrelll doesn't raelly help his case by falling so easily all the time. People probably think that he abuses that and I'm sure its very frustrating. In this case though he clearly slipped on the water that was left there by Abraham's corner.

5- I also predicted a UD for Dirrell, even before we heard about the American judges nonsense. As for wether he milked it or not, its really hard to tell. From his first reaction you would think yes. Then you'd think the twitching was overplayed. But then once he gets up and they put the cameras on him and he starts talking, it seems he's totally out of it. Even without the twitching I don't think he could have continued. I think the ref should have taken his time before announcing the DQ though. See to the fighter first. If he gets up, have the doctors examine him. Then make a decision.

6- There isn't much indication taht AA was was gonna KO Dirrell, but there isn't much indication that he wasn't. He did knock him on his ass in the round before and connected several clean shots.

I gave Dirrel 7 rounds and Abraham 3 rounds in total... rounds 3, 8, and 10. It wasn't such a one-sided fight and faster fighters usually have less of an advantage in the championship rounds. We'll never know what would've happened though.

It was a good fight.