Thoughts on the Cotto situation.....

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Am I the only one who has virtually no interest in the farce that would be Canelo-Cotto?

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  2. Just Rik

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    That catch weight was requested by Sergio, it's not something Sergio gave into, it's something he wanted.
     
  3. Scar

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    Cotto earned his position years ago and already gave the idiotic morons who seem to forget what they regularly demand far too many times already. He should now pick whatever is right for him financially before he retires. Both Cotto and Alvarez are established big names in terms of popularity, what easily makes Cotto in the driver's seat is the fact that he's the WBC/Lineal champion. If Alvarez can't accept his demands he should go find another opponent.
     
  4. str1

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    :deal
     
  5. kirk

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    Just another thread by the abomination that is the modern day boxing fan that gladly excuses fighters avoiding each other and doesn't mind fighters swerving defending their titles against the best challengers.

    Sometimes I wonder if boxing even deserves to get better, with the fanbase it has. For every great fan it has, which it does, some of the best in the world, theres 50 groupies.



    When you are a lineal champion you haven't 'earned the right' to cherry pick and choose your way through your challengers. You take on your most worthy challengers...

    except in todays boxing.... where the fans excuse fighters left and right for avoiding their rightful challengers.



    The people thinking Cotto has the right to hold a lineal title hostage by not defending it against the best available challengers are a big reason why boxing is in the condition its in. Al Haymon ****ing loves you groupies.


    Want to cherry pick your way and take advantage of having star power? Great.... yes, Cotto has earned that at this stage and nobody should have a problem with that. But then drop the lineal title and let the guys interested in still fighting the best go at it.



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  6. elchivito

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    Sure, he earned his right to face anyone he wants. He took the gamble of getting destroyed by Maravilla, but he played his cards right, thanks to Roach, who did the samething with matching Pacman with Oscar. Cotto has more ***** than Floyd and Manny combined, and should fight Floyd again. This time, Cotto will have more advantages and better prepared for Floyd. Because whoever wins, my friends, whether it be Cotto, Canelo, or especially Floyd, will eventually have to answer to the real monster of the division, GGG. Little lightweight Duran beat Barkley I don't see why neither Cotto or Floyd shouldn't face him either.
     
  7. KillSomething

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    I understand winning and losing vicariously through athletes and I understand f*cking vicariously through porn.

    I will never understand making money vicariously through athletes.

    I guess I kind of understand the Cotto fan's perspective. Like I said, we win and lose with our favorite athletes. Cotto's fans know he'll get beaten up and lose status against Alvarez or GGG. They know that he'll lose against Floyd, but predictably and comfortably. They would rather feel their man taking on the best in the world, losing honorably, and holding his head high while referring to himself in the third person rather than relive the pain of watching Cotto absorb a hellacious beating and quit on his knees.

    I get it, but it's still BS.

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    Hey JoyBoys, Cotto will make more $$ against Alvarez than he will against Floyd :hi:
     
  8. kirk

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    Could you imagine in the UFC, an old timer wins the belt, and then is allowed to not fight his most deserving challengers because hes 'earned the right' not to :patsch

    The fans would be in an outrage and thankfully the champion would be forced into the hard fights.

    In boxing you have many fans eagerly excusing the behavior, almost gleefully :lol: :patsch
     
  9. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's ridiculous.

    They do quite a few things correctly in the UFC, that's for sure.
     
  10. SOUTHERMOST

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    You are right about Cotto vs Canelo money wise but the real question is which fight is more risky, to me Cotto taking a beating from Canelo would sink his career.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    Well, I used to be somewhat interested in the prospects of Cotto-Canelo back before Cotto beat Martinez. But with the middleweight title on the line, at what I assume would be some bogus weight limit below 160, it makes the entire thing a complete joke.

    And if this fight goes through, I doubt the winner would face GGG anyway. If it happens to be a competitive match-up, which is certainly plausible, I'd expect a rematch for sure. But even if it's not competitive, I doubt either one fights GGG immediately after that fight.
     
  12. KillSomething

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    As it should.

    Look...Cotto started his career as a middleweight. He was weighing in the high 150's for most of his fights at 140. He slowly stopped dehydrating so much until he arrived at middleweight, where he weighed 161 his last fight.

    It's the final frontier, and if he can't beat guys who are middleweights then maybe his career is over unless he wants to start cutting to 140 again. Look around at 154 and 160...he won't beat any of those guys. He's not a top fighter anymore.

    Maybe he can retire and just come out whenever a top champ picks up a career-ending injury?
     
  13. punisher

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    I can imagine he's waiting to see what happens with Floyd and Manny. If Manny and Floyd do come to terms, he could renegotiate the date to June (PR Day weekend) and maybe even the location to MSG. It's smart business if that's the case. But, he's gonna look like a duck if he doesn't make this fight or give GGG a crack at that MW belt.
     
  14. non-stop

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    :good
     
  15. IDKSAB

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    He shouldn't...I'm a Martinez fan and Martinez was def through a few fights before Cotto, but nobody forced Martinez out there...I think GGG crushes Cotto too...I think it's bigger than Cotto being a Middleweight (paper) Champ. He's got everything a little over Canelo from a financial perspective (i'm picking Canelo to win by late stoppage/UD).:good

    Pretty sure De La Hoya vs Hopkins (158), Leonard vs Hearns2 (16) were catchweights. :deal

    I my case I wouldnt say "excuse" this fight. But Danny Garcia's latest antics are what I would deem unacceptable. And again I don't think the MW title is Cotto's primary factor.

    Not sure what the money would look like. I think it would be similar.:think

    stfu...GGG already had a fight scheduled.:-(

    I agree with the first part. Unfortunately neither one have had a LMW recently. I don't know about a rematch but I'd say that'd be kind of ducking GGG at that point. Both have proved to me that they'll fight anyone (Cotto's entire career, Canelo when he chose to fight Lara). But I think they both get destroyed vs GGG.