Thoughts on the Pacquiao/Marquaz fight

Excellent fight.

Historical victory.

Ezz-Walcott4-like ending.

Marquez' place among mexican's all-time greats must be reconsidered.

 

I don't think so lester re that last point.

We already knew he was more or less equal with Pac both being in their prime.The same fighters fighting AGAIN both getting past their best now and above their best weight, and already getting to the point where losses unless of exceptional circumstance were not going to be held against them.

Nobody really holds Marquez loss against Mayweather against him too much i hope not?

Same thing here for winner and victor.This was a personal triumph for Marquez-aka Ali Frazier 3-, but even going in it was hardly the kind of fight that was going to have anyone reassessing either fighter to any great extent regardless of the outcome imo.If it was Marquez KO'ing some much younger really good prime fighter then yeah, but we already know the score with these guys when they were at their best.One of them finally getting a clear win with both having shown signs of decline for years isn't THAT big a deal for judging either one imo, though as boxed says we probably need to wait a while and see what happens next.Now if something like this had happened in the 2nd fight....

 

No, there's no reason whatsoever from the fan's perspective or history's perspective for May/Marquez two. I didn't suggest that. I'm saying it might happen because of money. I'm saying Marquez would possibly subject himself to it again for another gigantic payday with Mayweather's all-too-willing help with some new bull**** angle about how he wears the weight better now and showed it by knocking out Pacquiao and ...ugh. I don't believe Canelo poses more threat than Cotto, but we can agree to disagree. It's guess work, of course. I think Cotto was still very good when he fought Mayweather, though he's obviously not peak and, like anybody who's been fighting as good a competition level for as long has taken some significant wear and tear. :conf

As for Mayweather's plans regarding Pacquiao, I'm of the opinion that it was basically a matter of dealing with Arum and he and Arum were never going to get along enough to risk Pac on him. Arum holds a grudge and Mayweather isn't exactly an easy-going professional fighter or businessman either.

I don't believe Canelo is faster than Cotto. I don't see it. He's bigger for certain, and I'd concede bigger one-punch brute force, for that one punch, the left hook. He hasn't proven anything else to me at all. I don't think he's more skilled, though more two-handed offense. Even though I think he's a good, promising young gun. Also, I said I thought Trout would be tougher than Canelo for Mayweather. I certainly didn't say he would beat and outbox Mayweather. I just think he'd be a harder fight. So, let's not argue that point.

I'm not sure about Lara either, but, again, I didn't say any of those guys would beat Mayweather, only that I figured them tougher (and more proven, I'll add) for Mayweather than Canelo. Canelo's a good, unproven, young fighter. That's it, until he steps it up and proves otherwise. Trout's been proven at a higher level, now, as has Cotto and Lara. Easily. And at 154. Still, I don't favour anyone up to 154 against Mayweather. I think some guys are close to even money, but I directly favour none. Even Martinez coming down to 154, though I have no expectation of that happening. Him, if still viable there, I'd consider a 51-49 type shot in favour of Mayweather. That's the best I give anyone 154 and below with him in current form.

 

yeah, his best days & his time in the limelight are over. he struggled in his last fight and lost this one. Goodbye Pac

 

Very happy for Marquez....he deserved it !!!

 

marquez (provided that drug tests come back clean) put himself in the elite category of all-time great fighters last night. his only clear loss was to a much bigger mayweather. in all of his other losses, he could have easily been awarded a decision.

haven't read through the other posts but the ko last night has to go down as one of the greatest right hands ever thrown. it's in marciano-walcott territory.

 

Fair assessment.

To be clear I'm not saying we should view Marquez as some kind of H2H monster from now on.
And personally, I'm more interested in H2H rankings.

But in terms of resume it is a big victory and it will improve Marquez' legacy in the eyes of the general boxing public.
Even though both fighters have declined significantly, Pac is dependent on his physical attributes, Marquez aged better, etc.


Still not enough to surpass Lopez, of course.

 

Mayweather should be bullyable at 154, with his lack of power and strength.
I think Canelo's a more dynamic puncher than Cotto, who is a bit pondorous, so yes I think he's faster although not night and day. I think he has a better right hand. He might be better defensively, Cotto nearly always gets hit, Alvarez doesn't too often although it's goto be said he didn't look great stepping up against Mosley though

Guerrero with his Winkyesque southpaw high guard and jab is an interesting technical fight I think

From a business perspective Lara won't get the fight and Martinez will be seen as too high risk

What a controversial decision win for Walcott? Not sure I see it

 

Marquez' win is controversial - fake KO and a fast count from the crooked referee - it was just a slip.:twisted:

 

Great fight. Best of the four.

I thought Pac was going to stop Marquez inside the next four or so rounds when it happened. Pac finally started to land regularily and push Marquez out of his comfort zone in a way he really hasn't done since the very first round between them - and then... A good reminder of why boxing is such a glorious sport.

Was a bit worried there for a while before Pac came to.

 

He would have to beat Mayweather. And Martinez. And maybe Wlad. Then, he would be close.

 

I had him beating Pac, John and Norwood. Morales moved up before JMM was a big player in the division. Pac and MAB were probably the best 2 in the division when Morales moved up and JMM took on the victor imo.

Floyd aside, I don't have him losing a fight.

 

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