thriller in manilla doco.

Everyone became caught up in the Ali circus and didn't give too much thought to the hurt he caused. Especially to Joe. Ali gained his status firstly with his mouth. Then he backed it up in the ring

Really felt for Joe by the end of the doco. He didn't deserve that **** :-(

 

It made me believe Ali shouldn't have done that, especially considering what Joe did for him, but considering the stage they were on and Ali's persona and the magnitude of their competition, I can't help but think Joe should have known better than to live with such bitterness for so many years over it.

 

Very biased and agenda-ridden documentary. You can tell Joe's side of the story without having to trashed Ali. It seems to me the only they could get Fraziers story across was through casting Ali a certain way, which is pretty sad.

I thought it was pathetic and just part of this whole pop culture backlash on Ali from people who don't understand the times and sport these guys were in.

It's important to point out that the person who made this is the son of the writer Mark Kram (spelt the same backwards), who wrote the equally very agenda ridden book 'Ghosts of Manila", which it's based on.

It was very disingeneous to me. Everytime Ali spoke there was sinister music played. There was no context to what was going on, no mention of the political tensions and Frazier befriending of ruthless police chiefs in Philly. It was permeated with double standards throughout.

Basically just an attack on Ali that wasn't even thinly disguised.

 

How many docos have you seen where Ali's treatment of Frazier and it's implications over a long period of time was totally ignored? I've seen a few

 

Not very nice of Ali....

However, you could also say that; disgusting as it was; trash talking was also part of the game: getting into your adversary's mind, pissing him off and making him lose focus is nothing new in the boxing business... professional fighters are supposed to be able to deal with it.

Sure Ali took trash talking to a new upper level, and sure he crossed a lot of boundaries and broke a lot of ethic codes; however, I also think that Joe played the victimization card too much and too long

 

Ali was a crazy man, and his antics to promote a fight crossed the line.

What fascinated me was the story where Ali was ready to quit in round 14, but Frazier quit first. Not sure it its true or not, but Ali did collapse in the ring afterwards.

 

It was a good documentary,but very biased on behalf of Joe Frazier. It almost seems the trend nowadays to highlight Ali's negative points. I'm an Ali fan,through and through,but not a FANBOY or nuthugger. There's a subtle difference. While I would admit that a lot of casual fans have been sycophantic towards Muhammad in recent times,the other side of the same extremist coin is evident by those lapping up the bias of documentaries like the one under discussion here.

I also had great admiration for Joe Frazier,but like Muhammad,HE was n't the angel that is sometimes portrayed either.

 

:good It seems to have been on about ten times now,in the past year.

 

It was great. It just shows what an ******* Ali always was in my book.

 

Joe took all kinds of ****...he was a class guy...calling Joe a TOM...a gorilla...**** Ali...punk.

 

Quoted for truth!!!