Throwing fights

I thought Oscar put up a good account for himself, and I dont understand why he did duck out of that fight, and I believe he did. Hopkins was starting to get closer and land more often, but the fight was competitive and somewhat close. I guess Oscar felt he was just gassed out and Hopkins was coming on stronger, but he could have picked a better shot to go down from, that was kind of BS on his part. You cant call him a p*ssy, he was figthing a guy he didnt belong in the ring with.

 

The last major fight that seemed not on the level was Coggi/GonzalesI. Before that there was whispers about Ramirez/WhitakerI; and I believe is it generally considered Everett/Escalera was fixed.

The last major fighter to be banned for fixing was I believe Pep, who was banned for life in New York for the Lulu Perez farce.

 

I think in places like Las Vegas you can bet it in a number of ways. The most common way is to bet the length of the fight, like the second Ali / Liston fight which was not predicted to end so early. I have seen a lot of different types of odds on fights though. I assume that if there are odds on split decision vs UD or knockout then one must be able to bet that way.

Anyway, don't pay too much attention to me anyway. I'm just really trying to say that there are WAY too many ways to cheat and win in boxing. You probably all remember the Foreman / Briggs fight....

 

Ramirez Whitaker I is the most horribly judged boxing match I've ever seen, save for the Roy Jones amatuer fiasco in Seoul.

 

I see! So thats why. Hmmm from now on I will be paying more attention to stuff like this.

 

I watched a rerun on HBO of Johnny Gonzalez (118 lb division) losing a fight with one body punch. He had been tatooing this guy for about six rounds, but the other fellow hit him in the liver. Gonzalez took two steps back then grimaced and fell. You couldn't see any breath going in and out of him.

 

100% wrong. Hopkins jumps in w/ his left foot forward, is leaning left, and throws the left hook to the body. It's the same form that most body punchers use when they deliver that killing blow. Look at Hatton vs. Castillo for the latest example of that form being used.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fzga7NXGzr4&mode=related&search=

 

You are much more correct than I thought. He did have pretty solid form on that one, and he did set it up with a pawing jab first.

My recollection came from when he fell moreso than when he was hit.

I'm still not sold on it being a fight stopper.

 

I put the link up...

Look at :15 mark...you see B-hop's form right before he delivers the punch
Look at :16 mark...you see B-hops form right after he delivers the punch

Where did he manage to switch his stance & footing and then switch it back in that 1 sec?

 

When Hill got hit by that body shot from Roy Jones he was out on his back in agony. But he did try to get back up, even with the ribs that were broken, but you could feel his pain. Castillo tried to get back up but his leg started to quiver under him and basically you could see that he couldn't get back up at all. Imo he has weak ribs, Hatton hit him hard but not with his best body shot. Jones shot to Hill's ribs was hard as hell, made a hellish shot when you hard those ribs snap.

 

The thing with Oscar is I am as sure as you can be that he didn't throw it. It makes no sense why someone in his position would throw a fight. There's too much money on the line for him if he can win. He knows that winning means more money. However, like has been pointed out by others, it is possible that by that point in the fight he was tired of being hit and knew he was running out of energy an figured this would save him from more punishment. It definitely was not a fix, and he didn't go in planning on throwing it, but he found a good spot to go out.

STILL, THOUGH, maybe the punch was better than it seems. No question he could have found a better time to go down, if he was really planning on throwing it. Very confusing situation, but in no way was there ill-intent, nor was it pre-meditated.

 

He has weak ribs? Is that why he lasted as a sparring partner with Chavez?

 

Yes, and if you look it seems like Oscar moves at moment of impact the wrong way. I think it caught him in a good spot when he wasn't prepared.

 

How long ago was that??? So Hatton is a better body puncher then Chavez, is what you are eluding to?????