Thrown to the Wolves

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by greynotsoold, Apr 5, 2019.


  1. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

    5,501
    7,020
    Aug 17, 2011
    Ossie Harris had a losing record, but I reckon he could fight some, and I don't think he missed too many of the top guys of his time. Check out the competition he faced in his first 20-25 fights.
    http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9979
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,365
    12,696
    Mar 2, 2006
    Harris had one very hard road. However, I always thought Jimmy Ellis was really thrown in at the deep end of the pool. In his first 20 fights he fought Hurricane Carter, Henry Hank, Don Fullmer, Georgie Benton, Rory Calhoun, Holly Mims (twice), Wilfie Greaves and Johnny Morris. Wow!
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

    8,584
    11,099
    Oct 28, 2017
    Jimmy Britt fought Lavigne and Erne is his third and fourth fights, but they were on the slide and he was a champion amateur. He won both by KO. Very underrated IMO.
     
    OvidsExile and greynotsoold like this.
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    Can't forget Oleg Maskaev in a discussion like this one. He makes a great, if recent example.
     
  5. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,915
    151
    Jul 30, 2006
    I knew Wilf Greaves briefly and had I the sense or interest at the time I could have gleaned a lot of insight from him, a very good box/fighter, tough & capable, he also looked a bit like a sawn off Chuvalo.
     
    scartissue and greynotsoold like this.
  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,197
    19,453
    Jul 25, 2015
    Ezzard Charles had some very hard opposition early on, like an experienced Charley Burley at Middleweight.
     
    greynotsoold likes this.
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,724
    29,075
    Jun 2, 2006
    I never thought that much about Ellis' early career ,now I've looked at it,he was indeed," swimming with sharks," very early in his career.Mimms x2 Calhoun,Greaves,Hank in his first 13 fights and Carter after 17 bouts,stiff competition !
     
    robert ungurean likes this.
  8. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,492
    7,252
    May 18, 2006
    David Reid was moved pretty damn fast.

    He'd fought Simon Brown, James Coker, Laurent Bououani and Felix Trinindad in his first 14 fights.

    Pretty reckless match making but as we know now he was pretty much damaged goods with his eye issues when he turned pro.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,724
    29,075
    Jun 2, 2006
    Yes, I think that was the reason he was moved so fast.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,365
    12,696
    Mar 2, 2006
    A fighter oft-overlooked is Ruben Navarro. This guy was so hot on the west coast it wasn't funny. Of course he was in tabloids as much as he was in the boxing mags at the time, which probably helped making him a box-office attraction. Anyways, in the beginning of '68 after 11 pro fights they throw him in with Pete Gonzalez (ranked #7 jr. light at the end of '68), then Ray Adigun (ranked #9 lightweight at the end of '67), then world 130 lb. champ Hiroshi Kobayashi in a non-title 10 (which he won), then Arturo Lomeli (#5 jr. light at the end of '68), then former and future champ Yoshiaki Numata. And with a record of 15-1-1 they match him for the vacant jr. lightweight title against Rene Barrientos over 15 rounds. This was all within his first 2 years as a pro. No record padding with soft touches there.
     
    BitPlayerVesti and greynotsoold like this.
  11. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,234
    3,368
    Jun 1, 2018
    Lightweight Bobby Woods of Spokane was thrown to the wolves like no other fighter in history.

    Started as a pro at 15. Fought Willie Pep, Harold Dade (twice), and Jackie Blair (twice) when he was 17.

    Jackie Blair (twice), Cisco Andrade, Fabela Chavez, and Joey Velez when he was 18.

    Joey Lopes, Henry Davis (twice), Ralph Dupas, Carlos Chavez, Lulu Perez, and Sandy Saddler when he was 19.

    Jimmy Carter
    , Carlos Chavez (twice), Jimmy Savala, Joey Lopes, and Vince Bonomo when he was 20.

    Had five fights when he was 21 after which he was diagnosed with a detached retina and brain damage and disbarred by the Washington State Boxing Commission. His record was 51-29-8.

    Underlined fighters were world champions. Henry Davis was at one time No. 1 contender. You can look up the rest, but I know that Andrade, Carlos Chavez, Joey Lopes, Lulu Perez, Jackie Blair were longtime rated boxers. Many of his other opponents were also top-notchers.
     
  12. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,234
    3,368
    Jun 1, 2018
    Everyone knew about his eye issues at the time. I remember watching his very first pro fight on television and the problems were discussed then and were, of course, obvious when you looked at him.
     
    young griffo likes this.
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,650
    13,047
    Apr 1, 2007
    Poor Jimmy Smith. The man was SET UP.

    This content is protected
     
    Unforgiven likes this.
  14. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    58,748
    21,578
    Nov 24, 2005
    Incredible that a fight like that can get on a televised show.
     
    Russell likes this.