Atm european bookies offer 1.4-1.5(-200 US odds) for thurman and 2-75-2.88(+188US odds) for Garcia.(21-26 for draw) how close to reality do u guys find these oods?
I think they're about right personally. Thurman is a career WW, while Garcia is a natural 140 pounder. I do think Garcia is vastly underrated by a lot of people, and when he's been thrown into fights he's been expected to lose, he's come out with the goods and won them in spectacular style (its the fights where he's been expected to win he has struggled in). That being said, he's a counter puncher at heart and his style doesn't translate well against naturally bigger guys who can box at range like Keith Thurman can. Garcia hasn't impressed me one bit fighting at WW - if I had to make a prediction it would be Thurman via UD, I'd say the difference in their power isn't much, but I favour Thurman as the slightly better boxer and the naturally bigger man.
The Khan and Matthysse fight spring to mind, in which Garcia was a betting underdog in both, and were probably his best performances to date.
Khan was having his usual early round success like he does against pretty much everyone he faces (including Canelo), before Garcia timed and countered him to sheer perfection. Garcia, to his credit, stayed measured and calm under pressure throughout, he never panicked when Khan's speed owned the first two rounds - he just kept looking for that opening. It was Garcia's coming out party and a memorable one at that.
Worst assessment of that fight ever. If you have watched Khan before, you expected him to dominate the opening rounds, as always, then badly gas out. It was just a matter of if Garcia could do anything about it once that happened. Garcia didn't exactly impress in the first Morales fight, so most didn't think he could/would. Didn't take long though. Round 3, boom. Garcia KO'd Khan in less than one third of the scheduled fight!
I think Thurman wins by boxing and moving, staying on the outside getting in and out. But IF Danny wins... wow, what a resume with great top tier wins.
Thurman has fought the stiffer competition at 147, Garcia struggles with movers so Thurman can win this comfortably off the backfoot. If he tries to bang it out with Garcia is where he may run into issues.
That's it in a nutshell, I can't help but think about Garcia's ability to really step it up when he's the underdog. Thurman's natural abilities should see him through however there's no doubt in mind that Garcia's fortitude, courage and resilience will be on full display in this fight. I took a moment to review several of Keiths fights and several Danny fights and the one distinct difference other than the obvious attribute dissimilarities is when Garcia fights as the favorite his he doesn't truly search for the inner gear when he's the underdog everything tightens up he becomes more efficient, tactical and focused. Keith has been blessed with never truly being the underdog he hasn't felt the need to search for that inner gear so we don't know if it truly exists until he's cornered and has no other choice. We may just witness another Degale/Jack outing in this one.....Garcia is the Jack of the welter weight division.
I can see how you came to all your conclusions but I do have to say Garcia is more the jack of the light weight/light welter division, he hasn't done anything of note in the welterweight division.
Understood, for me the comparison was relative however looking at the current situation you're right in saying he has not achieved the same level of success. I recently commented in another thread pointing out my approval of Jack's pure "moxie" in the boxing ring....him and Danny have similar attributes that go severely underappreciated.