Thurman tells Crawford to become relevant at 147

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Should Crawford get a shot at Thurman next year?

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usually champions moving up a division get high rankings and in the past champions have moved up to get a crack at a title straight away and we ain’t talking about any odd champion here we are talking about the undisputed champion the only one in the last 10 years.

    I get what Thurman is saying but if he is saying no Spence in the near future or Crawford then who is gunna have these ‘three fights’ against next year, I don’t wanna see a Garcia rematch, Porter can be one coz that fight was very close but who else is even left?

    Thurman has been saying all the wrong things for me lately.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I agree, why the hell should a guy who's never fought in a division, move up and get gifted a title shot at the man in said division, without earning it, he shouldn't be allowed to cut in line, quite frankly Spence and Horn both have better single wins than anything Bud has on his resume. Let him face Garcia or Porter first, prove himself and test his meddle at WW and earn it first. Where does Bud go if he does move up and beat Thurman? Everyone other than Spence will seem like a step down, so for Bud's own good he should face a few guys first. If he beats the top two guys, then people will want him to move to LMW, which is a bridge too far IMO.
     
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  3. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It should always no matter what should be unification>Mandos>money fights>everyone else.
     
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  4. Savagekat

    Savagekat TEAM USYK. I AM VERY FEEL! Full Member

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    I know that Keith has earned his position at the top. He has fought some excellent opponents and deserves all the credit for beating them. That said, it seems like Keith's approach has become even more laid back lately. Obviously I am drawing this conclusion based on the recent interviews that I have seen of him and could be wrong, but he does not seem as hungry as he once was. This could just be a natural progression for him as a champion, married man, and part-time hippie.

    I remember how he used to bang on about Ben Getty being the only one who believed in him and seemed to have a genuine chip on his shoulder. He was ready to take on all comers. Now he seems more at peace with his accomplishments, less fiery. Bring back that One Time swagger, Keith!
     
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  5. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Established champions moving up and getting an immediate title shot is somewhat the norm though.
     
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  6. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel you but lets be honest Bud is higher p4p than Spence or Thurman on most peoples p4p list, Loma moved up to get a title shot straight away, so did Gonzalez, Rigo, Frampton, Jack (even though I don't count the regular belt) all of these guys were p4p. I think a win like Peterson or any top 10 should put him in contention, maybe he can fight a Pomonorev or Ugas.
     
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  7. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly my point and I wouldn't be mad if the guy was active but he comes out once a year now, he is an entertaining fighter but he doesn't trash talk, fight often or get the kos that he used to. It would
    be nice to get the old one time back.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah I know, but it shouldn't be. That should only occur if its an absolute super fight that people have been clamoring for for years, even Ward took a few fights to get acclimated, no reason why Bud can't.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I wasn't necessarily gung ho when they got their title shots either, I'm not one of these fans that get all rabid if someone takes on a Top 10, Top 15 guy instead of the top guy, there's nothing wrong with fighting a few tune ups, and earning a spot, being the man in one division shouldn't earn you brownie points for another one. There's guys that have been waiting up at WW years to get title shots, and some guy shouldn't be allowed to shove them outta the way just because.
     
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  10. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    It's a fair enough call from Thurman. Crawford will be very relevant at 147 when he moves up but until he commits to the division and has Atleast 1 legit big scalp at the weight he isn't that relevant.
     
  11. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough all I was saying we see it happen all the time, I mean cotto done it with Martinez, Canelo, Broner did it, Garcia has done it. If your consistent across the board and say it noons should do it then I can't disagree with you on it, plus I know what you mean about the guys waiting for a shot. However I do think Crawford doesnt have to do as much as a guy wh has always been in the division becomes he brings a reputation and prestige with him which he can carry forward into his new division.
     
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  12. Halfordscream

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    "I agree, why the hell should a guy who's never fought in a division, move up and get gifted a title shot at the man in said division, without earning it, he shouldn't be allowed to cut in line, quite frankly Spence and Horn both have better single wins than anything Bud has on his resume. Let him face Garcia or Porter first, prove himself and test his meddle at WW and earn it first."

    Or it can be the other way .. like in the case of these two ****** .. Marcus Beyer and Joe Calzaghe .. the year is 2006 ...

    Marcus Beyer is the WBC Super Middleweight Champion. He has been the champion for over 3 years. He has had NINE title fights at that point. In his TENTH title fight he selects Sakio Bika.

    In 2006, Sakio Bika has ZERO fights at SMW. He does not even have one of the MIDDLEWEIGHT belts of note.

    Beyer vs Bika ends in the 4th round. Bika ends up with slightly over 10 minutes or so as an actual SMW.

    The next ***** up is Joe Calzaghe. Joe at this point had been the champion (yes it was the joke WBO) for NINE years. After Beyer (Joe always found the guts to fight someone AFTER Ottke or in this case Beyer had already done so), later in 2006, in his 20TH title fight, Joe selected Sakio Bika.

    Sakio Bika .. without a major title at ****in' MIDDLEWEIGHT .. is gifted his second MAJOR TITLE FIGHT in just six months. He has a whole 10 minutes of fight experience as a SMW and Joe "Pedestrian Robin Reid's Son" Calzaghe determines that TEN MINUTES of experience at the weight is the perfect opponent for himself. Of course, the boy knew his limitations as he did go on to struggle with that SMW NOVICE for the entire fight.

    So, did anyone write here about this? Nah, it is ESB.

    You see Crawford's black. When the ESB racists post, they need to get out in front of anything and anyone because their inferiority complex about brothers is so extreme. ESB .. where the gimpiest white boys without any athletic ability of there own spend thousands of hours making posts ranting about BLACK athletes. Truth hurts. But, it is the truth as anyone who is WHITE and drops in here occasionally can see. Can't actually be an athlete .. so be a racist (read the bulk of your posts, stupid). Doesn't take much practice for that. Just be an embarrassment to your family and you can find a home here ...

    Meanwhile, Crawford is a champion and he wants to move up to test himself against the best at 147, because he is the best at 140. Interesting how only black guys have balls to do such things and oh how it bothers the same white posters - over and over again.
     
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  13. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thurman is black though and he is the one saying the stuff to begin with, well his mixed race to be exact but you get my point not sure this should be made into a race issue bro.
     
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  14. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Crawford would deserve a shot late 2018 after getting a win at 147. That way he can have a fight to acclimate to the higher weight and prove he's able to handle bigger guys. He's a p4p fighter and one of the few unified champions in the sport. That should account for something? I don't think he deserves a shot at Keith's titles straight out of the gate.
     
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  15. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's only if they are a draw like Manny or Floyd. Or, if they are a tune up for guys like Manny or Floyd. Usually champions moving up have fights with ranked contenders as they transition to a new weight class before challenging for a title in a new division.