He won that fight. He was robbed. He was so gracious in spite of the loss in the post fight interview, what a gentleman. He was robbed. Toney said he blocked a lot of the shots. He did. But he also lost most of the rounds on the pressure. How does everyone else see this fight?
Ah, a response. Thank ****. I think only me and you have seen this fight. I'm now watching Barkley get owned. Man he got ****ed up.
I haven't seen the fight. I'd like to see it if you believe he beat a peak Toney. Anywhere I can see this fight? Don't suppose it's up on YT?
Tiberi did win the fight, but that was hardly a peak Toney. Toney went thru a period where he just didn't give a ****, and it showed in his fights. He didn't just look bad against Tiberi, he lost to several guys nowhere near his talent level several times in that period. Also, he was VERY severely weight drained at middle by this time. Facts is facts though, Tiberi won that fight and he got robbed big-time. That doesn't mean he can hang with a motivated JT.
Classic :rofl. And I'm not surprised people aren't responding to this. It doesn't fit how most people overrate him H2H by picking him against just about everyone at 160 and 168.
He was unbeaten going in, he can't have been struggling to make the weight AND not training and he didn't lose until Jones two years later, and wins over McCallum and Barkley were ahead. He would remain a middlweight for another 3 fights inlcuding theMcAllum win. So how was he not peak?
Damn man don't be a hater... Toney showed you everything you needed to know about him in the first fight with Peter and the fight with Jirov. Do you really think Dave Tiberi and Drake Thadzi are better fighters than Toney because they caught him at the right time? Really?
Cheers. Pretty scrappy fight to score, looks of inside work. Toney landed a few flush counters, but Tiberi had some success with the short jab, backed him up well to the ropes, and landed well especially to the body. I found it pretty difficult to assess, I'd have to watch the whole fight, but the fact it was a split and the reactions say alot.
I don't know if you read/ignored my post in your original Toney set thread..but where'd you pick it up at?
I remember the fight, I remember being stunned at Toney's inactivity. He just stood there for most of the fight. He made weight the next fight, then came in 10 lbs over the fight after that. He actually got in shape for his next defense against McCallum then he left MW forever. Before and during the Tiberi fight all Toney and the announcers could talk about was how much he hated making MW and how much it took out of him. I shouldn't have to sit here and explain this. I'm sure you've seen JT in action when he's on point and wanting to go, and now you've seen clips from this fight. Does that look like the same guy to you?
I got nothing against Toney, who's a sure fire HOF fighter. It's the people who pretend that **** like the Tiberi and Thadzi fight didn't happen when they put him H2H in the lower weights that I'm questioning. Jirov was his best win, IMO. Even looking at it with a skeptical eye, anyone would be hard pressed to find any way it could've been better.
I've seen the whole of this fight, I just watched it and started this thread. You said: "that was hardly peak Toney...he didn't just look bad against Tiberi, he lost to several guys nowhere near his talent level several times in this period." No, he didn't, I think it's important you acknowledge that this fight took place during his absolutle physical prime, pre-Jones, when he did lose to some odd fighters.