Tiger Flowers an underrated old timer?

It was generally thought that Greb won the third Flowers fight, no? He certainly won the first.

Flowers was a tough nut, a little chinny, a little underpowered but crafty and strong.

 

The first Greb-Flowers fight was 10 rouunds NO DECISION.
The second and third were 15 round DECISIONS for Flowers.

 

He was what he was.

I am not sure that anybody beat him on point controversially.

If you had a dynamite punch, you could often take a shortcut in beating him.

 

The majority felt Greb won their first fight. Many felt he was robbed in their 3rd fight, which was a split decision. Either way, Flowers beat a shell of the real Greb. Not a spent bullet, but pretty close, yet still good enough to give Flowers all he wanted.

Prime for prime? Flowers gets a bad beating.

 

How to rate Tiger Flowers as a fighter ? Not sure, but a chap named Jack Delaney flattened Tiger flowers THREE times in TWO bouts.
Amazing, but true...
P.S. If I could defy time and solve this puzzle as to how to place the southpaw Tiger Flowers, I would match Tiger Flowers with Marvin Hagler
15 rounds, and then we would solve the puzzle of the 1920s versus the modern era fighters once and for all...

 

A blind, old and fat Sam Langford knocked him out

 

True, but Sam Langford though old, was at this stage a heavyweight fighting the likes of Harry wills and Sam Langford time and again. Lest we forget...

 

True there's no shame in a loss to Langford no matter who you are tiger was a good fighter and gets my respect just for getting in the ring with Sam

 

If you were a Black fighter back then it was an inevitable right of passage that you were going to eventually get knocked-out by Sam Langford. Tiger Flowers, Kid Norfolk, Larry Temple, Joe Jennette, Sam McVey, Harry Wills, George Godfrey, Young Peter Jackson, Jeff Clark, Tut Jackson, Battling Jim Johnson, Bill Tate, etc.

 

If a black fighter had not been knocked out by Sam Langford, then something was wrong!

 

It should also be noted that Tiger lost to Mickey Walker in a fight that most thought he won. It happens.

We'll never know unless some fight footage of Greb ever emerges, but Flowers had three bouts with Harry and in none of them was it unanimous that Greb won, which I would consider a pretty good accomplishment and a clear sign that very little separated the two.

And does anyone know if Regis Welsh of the Pittsburgh Post newspaper EVER thought Greb didn't win? Greb rarely did lose, but whenever there was any dispute there was Regis to proclaim Greb's superiority. I suspect Regis knew his audience and wouldn't doubt that as much time as he spent covering Harry there was some affinity there to take up for his man.

 

, but not Jack Dempsey.