Tim Bradley absolutely smashes Oleksandr Usyk´s legacy

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  1. Giwdul111

    Giwdul111 New Member banned Full Member

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    - couterpunch boxing news made this comparison of "TwoFace Bradley´s" opinion about current king of boxing.

    Opinions? Is Tim Bradley trying to be a good company man and keep his ESPN job? Did he take a notes after Ward´s destiny? Or is it just a blind xenofoby/racism towards to east Europe Slavic fighters? What is behind Bradley´s motivation?
     
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  2. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Not racist because Bradley has always praised Fury. He said Usyk isn't an ATG then later says he's great. He's just upset that Fury didn't do what he thought he should do and get an easy win. At least he agreed Usyk won.
     
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I don't think he is a racist. I think he genuinely bought into the whole "a good big man always beats a good little man" narrative a little too much.
     
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  4. Giwdul111

    Giwdul111 New Member banned Full Member

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    Fury is still "western world lifestyle fella + English language first". If he praised Fury high, then he should give even more recognition to Usyk, I guess. Because if he belittles Usyk´s accomplishments in some ways - what does that say about Fury? It is very interesting. I am a little bit confused.
     
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  5. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    xenofoby, racism? Gen Z has been rinsed
     
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  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bradley is 100% correct
     
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    it sounds like he underestimated usyk, which many of us did. and he overrated fury, which many people did. but he isnt exaggerating about the level of atg that usyk is being built up to right now. his accomplishments have only been limited to whats been available to him, but its a limit none the less.
    longevity and consistency count. usyk is the only consistent fighter in the hw division for the last 5 years. he has no competition in this era. everyone else can look a million one fight, ass the next. because they are all incomplete. the greats went through more complete fighters. and you can argue that point with boxrec and triangle theories and whatever else you want to use. what it comes down to is what they can actually do in the ring irrespective of who the opponent is. how he deals with specific problems in offense and defense. the variety of properly thrown in balance punches. the ability and use of legs for positioning. the ability to defend correctly from specific punches while simultaneously opening a lane for your punches. and many other metrics measurable to the trained eye. when you understand what the dance is suppose to look like, its easier to see when a dancer is falling out of step.
    If you had a time machine and could gather the 10 greatest trainers in the history of boxing, assuming such a thing could be determined, and told them they could look at all the videos and pick any fighter from any era at any point of their careers, to be brought to the present so you can take the hw crown. usyk would not be in their top 10.
     
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  8. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if you don't think those issues aren't at play here, you are ignorant
     
  9. Wedgie Kray

    Wedgie Kray The pessimist will always lack enthusiasm Full Member

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    Entitled to his opinion but Usyk is an ATG without any doubt.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like I said the other day, if Usyk was North American and had achieved everything he has and by taking the path he did, that he chose to take, in just 23 fights he would be the biggest star in the sport and revered like a god.

    Case in point. Remember when CBS had Shakur, who was a two-weight champ at the time and hadn't beaten anyone but the much smaller looking Valdez and a past prime Herring, literally the only two world champions he'd beaten, ranked above Usyk P4P who had unified the CW division and won three of the four belts up at HW at the time, winning and unifying all his belts in his opponent's backyards?

    They also had Spence ranked well above him too. Spence isn't a fraction of the fighter Usyk is but pre Crawford many would argue he was better. You can't take any of these clowns remotely seriously and I don't

    Someone make an argument for having Shakur and Spence over Usyk at that time? I'm all ears

    At the very least Usyk is an ATG and the greatest fighter of his generation and he's earned that distinction. Not Crawford. Not Inoue. Not no one else. That and Usyk's success clearly makes an awful lot of people feel very uncomfortable.
     
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  11. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was obvious that Usyk would be a HW champion before he ever even challenged for a CW title. Some of us know what we are watching while others just pretend.
     
  12. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be honest I was much more impressed by usyk handling AJ than fury
     
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  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    he is an excellent fighter. very well schooled. his lack of power initially made me question his completeness, but with his timing and settling into the weight, it turned out to be enough for the job.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Here's how it plays out

    If Usyk was North American and had beaten the exact same opponents he has beaten, but instead of beating all of them in their backyards or on the road he beat them all in the US with home refs and judges, and instead of being the same size as all his opponents in his first weight class and tiny in comparison to all the ones in his second one he was bigger or much bigger than them all, and instead of almost all of them being legit bangers or savage punchers only 1 was, and instead of being one of the cleanest fighters in the sport he was a serial billy goat, octopus, low blowing, elbowing serial cheat he would be more highly regarded and get more respect for his achievements than he does now by so many and there would be no talk of a ''weak era'' and I'm not even exaggerating.

    And if he was British many of the highly disrespectful things some members of the British fight fraternity have said about him would never ever have been uttered. He's literally earned his respect the hard way on a deck stacked against him and he hasn't given anyone the slightest reason not to respect him or to dislike or disrespect him
     
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  15. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are 100% correct and that's what makes Bradley's position all the sadder. The thread maker seems to have been banned for speaking the truth which is unfortunate.
     
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