Tim Bradley: Thurman Win Massive; Beating Spence Makes Pacquiao Top 3 GOAT.

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  1. fenoc1

    fenoc1 Active Member Full Member

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    Pacman is the most likely of all three are you crazy. Floyd least likely but judging by his physique against Berto in his last fight then id say yes he was. Come to think of it Floyd didnt look out of breath is whole career, drugs or no drugs he whipped them both real good
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has a better win because he beat the guy with the better resume? Therefore what? he is a better fighter? How does that make sense. His whole legacy is built on beating Manny. Similar to Barkley who had some other good fights. But nothing to match the Hearns win..
     
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  3. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac is currently the oldest major-belt holder in the WW division. And he didn't just took the belt from nobody. He took it from an undefeated, legitimate and the best boxer (resume-wise, I know Bud and Spence are higher in the "metaphorical" rankings) in the division.
    You all sing a song about Duran taking the belt from Barkley. But he was 37 at the time. Pac just beat Bradley and Vargas at the same age. Do you not see just how mind-blowing the accomplishments of Pac are?

    While I disagree that Pac is the GOAT, if you don't see greatness in what he recently did, which is simply what Bradley was exaggerating, YDKSAB.
    Floyd and JMM's win doesn't "improve" as Pac continues on his journey. It looks more impressive, sure, but you don't just pad them higher in the rankings simply by piggy-backing off Pac's career. Same reason why Singsurat and Torrecampo aren't going up the ladder as well, it's just stupid to think that way.
     
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  4. Sammy123

    Sammy123 Money Maker Staff Member

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    The 4th marquez fight will always remain a bit suspicious for the simple fact Marquez bulked up to almost like a linebacker and developed power that he didn't have before. In 3 fights it was Marquez who saw the canvas multiple times, was the one hurt by the single shots, his claim for "victory" was that he always outboxed Pac. But in the 4th fight he comes in bulked up and knocks down/knocks out Pac with punches that he couldn't do in 3 fights prior?

    Maybe drinking your own **** does have merits.
     
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  5. MURK20

    MURK20 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's a hard fact that Americans do not choose boxing as a sport anymore. The boxing gyms of Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, NY teeming with hungry youngers are a thing of the past. There's no lion's den anymore.
     
  6. Incinerate

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    But Floyd beat a slightly younger, better version of Pac. Your math isn't adding up.
     
  7. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Americans still have more registered pro boxers than any other country, and have superior resources to back them up. Its just that the rest of the world has caught up. Simple.
     
  8. MURK20

    MURK20 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The rest of the world are indeed showing that there's major, major talent beyond our borders, however the US are not producing the killers of the early 90's and before. You can just watch older fights and it's easy to see that these American guys today are not of the same caliber.
     
  9. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    They are producing good fighters but the rest of the world being competent prevents them from looking like “killers.”
     
  10. MURK20

    MURK20 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well i see that you're not too rational when it comes to this topic. How long have you been a boxing fan? How well would Danny Jacobs have done in the era of RJJ, James Toney, Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Gerald McClellan Julian Jackson?

    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad , Saad Muhammad, Yaqui Lopez, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Michael Spinks, Marvin Johnson. Could Ward go undefeated and shine in that era?

    Could Mayweather dominate Leonard, Pryor or Hearns?

    The thin talent pool has less to do with foreign opposition, which has always been there and more to do with the lack of interest. Keep on mind. Americans once dominated the amateurs which everyone participated in.
     
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  11. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Even in amateur boxing the USA had the best infrastructure in the world, now the world has caught up. I dont believe in the rubbish hype you yanks got, if boxing was as global as it is today historically, no American boxer would look like “killers”. It is what it is.
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Trapper of The Year Full Member

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    You can believe that stupid **** if you want to. Guys like ali srr Louis pep srl moore would be great and doninate in any era. These so called international greats cant carry their spitbuckets. How many special fighters are fighting today? Pac that's about it.
     
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  13. MURK20

    MURK20 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're living in a fantasy. The Danny Jacobs GGG struggled with would of been a no name. Ward would have been a average in LHW's golden age. And Mayweather wouldn't have dared step in Hearn's and Leonard's welterweights division. The elites were at a different level as of today.
     
  14. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Facts are facts. Boxing is more competitive now and more diverse. Its no longer just one nation dominating. None of those fighters would be special if they fought today.
     
  15. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Danny Jacobs would have been an elite, keep on playing your mental gymnastics, boxing is more diverse and competitive today than it ever was. None of those fighters would have been special if they fought today, elite sure, but overhyped? No, I dont buy that yankee BS.