Tim Tszyu v Brian Mendoza official October 15th

Mendoza seems hell bent on third straight upset but Tszyu will dismantle him by mid rds tko .

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I really wanna like this guy, but he's son of a HoFer and so I don't trust it: He didn't start early enough. He's never been anywhere near broke and/or hungry. Nothing bad ever happened to him or ever could because who his daddy is. They know how (or who to get to) to work the media and the publicity so none of his flaws have ever been on display. They know who to get to feed him, train him and make and sell his matches.This is my perception. Same as Clan Vargas (who I wanna like in similar fashion). These two less pronounced than the Niko Walsh travesty, but you know what I'm sayin.

Would be pleased to be wrong or half wrong or 3/4 wrong about any of the up and comers mentioned above. Even Niko upon who's career I have shat copiously.

 

Do you know how small a part Kostya has played in Tim and Nikita's lives, other than provide them name recognition?

 

What are we talking about here? He lived on the street in bad neighborhoods growing up and found his way to a boxing gym because it was either that or a life of crime? He started fighting professionally at the age of 15 to feed his 22 siblings that were living in a cardboard box on the outskirts of the capital? Or is it more like his dad never spent much time with him growing up because he was too wrapped up in being a celeb?

Or what?

 

Man, you couldn’t be more wrong. Kostya cut and ran, moved back to Russia and remarried as well I think. Tim and Nikita concentrated on their studies and have come up with minimal help.

You only need to look at how Tim is promoted, he’s never ducked anyone and is having to graft harder than guys like Charlo to get big fights. He’s beaten top contenders Horn, Gausha, Harrison, Ocampo and Hogan whilst being kept on ice by a fraud champion who refuses to fight him.

He’s a clean living, hard training guy outside of the ring who treats people with respect.

I am not sure what else he is supposed to do.

 

Dude if he turns out to be the goods, that would be great. I like how he fights and his attitude. I just don't quite trust the hype at this point.

 

There is nothing ambiguous about what I wrote.

 

Well that's your call and I won't argue with that.

The "hype" though is not Tim's fault and it is also a myth. He is willing to fight anyone. And a couple of big names like Zerafa, domestically and Charlo have blatantly ducked him because they know how dangerous he is. He's taken "stay busy" fights with serious guys Harrison, who had beaten Charlo, Ocampo who was seen as very dangerous and now Mendoza who is legitimately good. It's not like he's crushed a heap of tomato cans waiting for the supposedly elite to have the stones to step into the ring.

He's beaten 2 former belt holders and a whole heap of guys who are excellent next level down fighters. And every time he beats another one the uneducated and unwashed step in here to tear him down. Apparently Harrison was "washed" and 34-2 Ocampo was no good despite only ever being stopped by a prime Errol Spence. I await the excuses from the moron brigade when he KO's Mendoza in a couple of weeks.

I mean, go back into the Canelo/Charlo thread and you'll see idiots saying that Ramos would KO Tszyu. Ramos who got an unlucky decision but never even looked like icing Erickson goddamn Lubin yesterday. Tszyu takes both of those guys out on the same night and goes out for dinner and a movie afterwards.

 

I posted before you did.

 

Exactly.

The family moved to Russia in 2008 but Tim says life was so foreign to them they couldn't wait to get back to Australia and that's what happened. But Kostya left his wife, Tim and Nikita in 2012 returning to Russia and remarrying. At the time Tim was 17 and Nikita 14.

I believe Kostya has only attended one of Tim's pro fights. From memory his pro debut and probably never attended any of Nikita's pro fights. His fathering of Tim and Nikita in the past 11 years amounts to occasional phone calls and Kostya has his own young family in Russia.

 

In the "four belt era" (brb. just typing that makes me have to ****), former beltholders are cheaper than former strippers. We have people here saying he just steamrolls all opposition from 140 to 175. Sorry not buying. Yet. There are fanboy threads around here (which is one of the more sober boxing discussions on the web) that make the Floyd brigade look reasonable. Some people are so far up this kid's ass they can see the backside of his teeth. If they are trying to be boosters, they are ****ing it up the same way as the Only-Lions crowd do. Or maybe that's the point?

 

So they were well off kids that suffered a divorce and moving around some. That was my point. Doesn't make them bad or weak or anything other than that most boxing greats came up a bit harder than that and considering the record of sons of HoFers, do forgive a bit of skepticism even if one simultaneously roots for them.

 

Sure but look at the former belt holders:

Horn - had beaten Pacman and lost to Crawford where he was not disgraced at all.

Harrison - beat Charlo and then had him beaten again until he gassed late in the rematch.

These aren't alphabet belt holders. They are fighters with pedigree and big wins against elite opposition. Now I don't say that Tim is unbeatable up to 175. That's silly talk. But I do think he is unbeatable at 154 and I think he goes up as far as 168 over time and is very competitive there. But at 154 I back him against Charlo, Bud, Spence and anybody else.

 

No mate, that's unfair. They're just average kids who had an average upbringing and had a broken home. The surname should not come into it.

Does Floyd Mayweater Jr not deserve the recognition he gets from his own achievements or is there a question mark over him because his dad fought Sugar Ray Leonard and his uncle was a two time world champion? Surely he had a leg up based on his pedigree too?

In my view, one's achievements should speak for themselves. Despite what the ignorant think of Tim Tszyu's record, he has beaten everybody they have put up and is the current WBO 154 World Champion. If Charlo had the testicles to get in there with him, Tszyu would have won all 4 belts a year ago and this conversation would not be happening.

 

Harrison I don't remember. Pretty sure I've seen him, but Harrison does not ring any bells as super duper. And Horn? Are you ****ing kidding me? You damage your credibility using him as an example of "big wins against elite opposition". Also confirms that Vegas is no more corrupt than any boxing venue. Australia holds no moral high ground. I remind you that Vegas let Bivol (a hated Russian) win a decision over the "Face of Boxing" and universally recognized, current cash cow (I should know. I just contributed 90 unearned bucks to his coffers), Canelo.