Tim Tszyu vs Terry Norris

I normally agree with your posts but i disagree with you entirely here.

Norris was a top 10 P4P fighter for a 5 year period and made 16 title defences that's bit more than being barely "world class".

His weaknesses were his chin and his temperament he was DQ'ed a few times for getting too carried away. But he had elite level skills, speed, movement, power.

Some of his big wins were against fighters moving up in weight but still wins over.....

Sugar Ray Leonard = Past his prime but still Norris was first man to beat him up convincingly.
Meldrick Taylor
Donald Curry
John Mugabi
Jorge Castro
Quincy Taylor
Buster Drayton
Simon Brown
Jorge Castro
Maurice Blocker
Vince Pettaway

Imagine if Tszyu had this resume....

Norris for most people is a top 5 Jr Middleweight of all time.

 

I think you could add the "Past his prime" description to most of the names on your list. If King Timmy had that resume, people would say that he built his rep against much smaller men & guys who were past it. And they'd be right. Meldrick Taylor? He ceased being prime two seconds from the finish line of the first JC Chavez fight. He had nothing left in the second one. And that was two divisions south of Junior Middle. Donald Curry? He was washed from Lloyd Honeyghan on. John Mugabi? There's a steady theme emerging here. I mean, a lot of the names mentioned there weren't just past their primes. They were wayyyyyyyy past. The version of Tony Harrison that faced King Timmy had more fight left in him than almost all of these blokes. If King Timmy can take Terrible Terry's fireworks, he wins a head-to-head match-up between them b/c Terrible Terry won't be able to take his. The best fully-fledged Junior Middleweight Terrible Terry faced who was near his prime was Julian Jackson. How did that turn out?

 

Tim has never faced an unbeaten prospect that was considered to be a potential champion. Terry did- Quincy Taylor- who not only did Terry beat but Taylor went on to actually win a title. Terry fought much harder opponents on his way up then Tim ever has or ever will.

Jorge Castro who Terry beat quite easily went on to win a title. Tim has no names on his resume like this and this isnt even close.

 

Most contenders fight more then four times in four years. The only ones that do not are fighters who are coming to an end in their career and looking for a couple of big paydays before they call it quits which is exactly what Harrison did so do not pretend Harrison was even close to being in his prime- he cashed out vs Tim.

What is Tim going to do vs a Norris? Tim is light years slower then Norris and Norris hits alot harder then Tim. The only chance Tim would have is if Norris got sloppy and got caught like he could on occasions but Tim does not hit that hard.

 

I think you're overstating the case for Terrible Terry. If the guys he faced on the way up were as good as you say he shouldn't have keeled over against Julian Jackson when he reached championship level. You also seem to think Jorge Castro was the second coming. He wasn't.

I think you've got a good point about King Timmy having not faced a razor-sharp unbeaten guy with legit championship credentials. I've long advocated for a fight with Charles Conwell on the basis that it would sharpen Tim right up for higher level opposition despite posing a risk of imminent defeat. No point that fight happening right now though b/c Conwell hasn't fought all year & therefore can't be considered razor sharp. He's content to sit on his #1 WBC ranking until he gets a title shot - likely against Interim champ Brian Mendoza when Charlo departs the division. If King Timmy sticks around long enough, we might get that fight. More than likely King Timmy moves up to Middleweight & attempts to do what Terrible Terry couldn't - win a world title at that weight.

 

Meldrick Taylor had only 1 loss when he fought Norris which was a highly controversial stoppage to a prime JCC.

Simon Brown had only 1 loss in 7 years.

Mugabi had never been destroyed like that until Norris did it.

Alot of these fighters are Hall Of Famers.

Name 5 Jr Middleweights who have a better resume than Terry Norris ? And Tszyu certainly isn't no "King" as of right now.

 

Quincy Taylor was only in his 11th pro fight when he fought Norris. Taylor then went on to lose twice to Jorge Vaco who was pretty average.

By the same stage of their careers, Tszyu has won a strap and is unbeaten. Norris had lost 3 times (one a DQ but there are a couple of absolute nobodies on that list).

Norris was also chinny. And Tszyu absolutely has the power to take advantage of that.

 

Come on, bro. Meldrick was a Junior Welter & Simon Brown was a Welter. Everyone knows Meldrick was never the same fighter after the first JC Chavez fight. People rated him higher than Pernell Whitaker until then. The Beast was in his prime mid-1980s. Terrible Terry fought plenty of big names. No argument from me on that. He faced precious few of them when they were anywhere near their best.

 

You think Tony Harrison is equivalent to Simon Brown? Maurice Blocker? Jorge Castro? A still decent Meldrick?

Original questions: Norris stops Tim Tszyu. Tim thinks he's a killer in the ring and Norris ain't gonna fold like that. In his prime only Julian and Brown stopped him, and I think they'd stop Tim as well

 

Meldrick Taylor was the Welterweight champion when Norris fought him.

I agree alot of Norris's best wins were against fighters moving up in weight, but i think you're also being a tad harsh on him.

John Mugabi was Jr Middleweight champion when Norris dismantled him, and his only losses were in a great effort against Marvin Hagler. And a strange loss to Duane Thomas who thumbed him in the eye if i remember rightly ? Norris was the first man to really utterly destroy him so he deserves some credit for that win.

Sugar Ray Leonard as i already stated was past his prime, but he was coming off a win over Duran who had recently upset Barkley. And Norris was the first fighter to really hammer Leonard, it did appear Leonard had aged overnight if i'm being completely honest but it's still a decent win vs an ATG fighter.

Jorge Castro would go on to become the Middleweight champion.

That's just a few examples.

If we are going to agree to disagree i'll agree with you that Norris never beat a true elite 154 pounder at their absolute peak, but he did beat alot of notable names although as you and i have pointed mostly against fighters who were moving up. But i still think it's too early to start picking Tszyu over Norris though at this stage in his career.

Norris did win 19 Jr Middleweight title fights and was top 10 P4P fighter for a considerable amount of time, Tszyu needs a few more big wins before we start matching him up against Norris.

 

Man, Simon Brown destroyed Norris in their first fight.

Norris is absolutely capable of folding. I'm not saying it is an easy fight for Tszyu but he certainly has the power to make it a very tough night for Norris.

 

Lmfao!

 

Its a little early for this comparison. Lets see how Tszyu does over the next 5ish years as he gets tested. Can we put up how many guys were rated in the top ten of the Ring when Norris fought them? He regularly beat up top ten guys. How many does Tim have at this point? 2?

 

Norris was a quality boxer. Stop talking nonsense.