Tim Witherspoon (2nd Smith fight) vs Michael Moorer (Foreman fight)

Sure it's embarrassing. Getting beaten by Axel Schulz, and barely eking out a decision over Lou Savarese.

 

What an assinine comment. Let me know who Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are outpointing over 12 rounds when they are in their late 40s and which WORLD heavyweight champion they waste with one shot at 45.

Can't wait.

Yes, looking back at Foreman-Rodriguez and Smith-Rodriguez, it's clear Foreman is only "slightly" better.

 

Its really a question of what shape Witherspoon was in that night. He was still young and didn´t go down against hard punching Bruno. The thing with James Smith is he wasn´t a good boxer, but if he got you you´re in trouble. The guy could seriously hurt fighters if he got the chance to.

So if Witherspoon was in still in shape and just got blitzed on the chin, I´ll go by Witherspoon via TKO.
Did you guys know that freakin CW (and 168 to 175) Everett Martin floored Moorer in round 3? How many times got he dropped against Cooper? Down against Holyfield as soon as round 2 in fight 1? Maybe the older version of Holyfield here ? Its pretty obvious to see that Moorer was a fighter who could dish but not take. And he stood right in front of terribly good bangers like Cooper or Tua just to get nailed on that chin. Did that mistake with Foreman too, but without getting up like he did sometimes.
Make no mistake here, Witherspoon was a big fellow who could throw as well.

So if its Spoon in decent shape, he got very good chance to drop that guy too and win via TKO. If he was totally off the track that night, this might become some boxing until Moorer eventually catching him. As he was 29 and 233, I think he might be okay when not getting blitzed by an extremely hard hitting SHW (but without much skill).

Btw, is this one of your Foreman - Ruddock nonsesne battles?
Okay then.
Maybe we´d ask: "How long is Michael Moorer making it this time with a seven years younger James Smith who´d catch him?" We know what happened when this guy was 2 months short of his 40y birthday.

 

I never said anything that you're talking about in that last paragraph. I think you're distorting my words because you do not like to see a cold evaluation of Old George.

I believe that the Witherspoon who beat Bruno was the same guy who lost to Bonecrusher, and that's good enough to catch the chinny, defensively limited Moorer with something big and put him away. Moorer is a guy who was hurt badly by Stewart and Cooper before George finally did the trick.

 

Hell man. I said my mind was changed.

 

Witherspoon's weight was right in between his weight for Bruno and Tubbs, and those fights were right before he fought Smith. Those are the indicators I look at, not so much that he got drilled by a huge puncher before he could even get warm.

 

Really? He looked bigger in the Smith fight than he did in the Bruno fight.

 

The discussion pertains to mid 80s Smith and Old Foreman. That should be apparent.

 

Well, it's actually called Tim Witherspoon vs. Bonecrusher Smith, but ig you're right.

 

234.5--Bruno
233.5--Smith
227--Tubbs

I also think Witherspoon was an excuse maker who was generally full of horse pucky.

 

Hmmm...he still looked bigger I think. But eyes can be deceptive.

What's being an excuse maker have 2 do w/ his weight?

 

So the Foreman who knocked out Rodriques in two and the Smith who lost to Rodriques? Not the Foreman who knocked out Joe Frazier twice and the Smith who lost to Marvis Frazier? No, wait, still that Smith. The Foreman who knocked out Cooney and the Smith who got knocked out by James Broad?

Got it. (Rolls eyes)

 

Absolutely. People forget to realize what age that man was and what he could do with that adapted style of his. The problem starts when we talk about that GF H2H. I need to watch that Briggs fight again btw.

@William Walker Ask yourself about the chin of Michael Moorer to see what happened that night. Because most of people (myself also, I LOVED that result and the reponse of the commentators that night to make him immortal) won´t a ) rate this bout for what happened before the miracle happened and b) remind themself against what possible champions if might have happened at all).

 

How old are you? You type like a teenager trying to big yourself up.

Your bias was proven in the thread mentioned. It's too obvious to miss (except by you, of course)

I haven't gone "scrounging" for anything. What are you on about?

The facts and context of the bouts you refer to speak for themselves. You just choose to ignore those facts and aspects of context you don't like to acknowledge and harp on about those that suit your agenda.

Classic bias and quite boring.

 

After watching a 45-year-old Foreman knock out a 27-year-old Moorer for the World Title, or a nearly 49-year-old Foreman appear to beat a the 26-year-old Shannon Briggs with ease, be sure to quickly watch a 45-year-old Bonecrusher quitting after one round against a 48-year-old Joe Bugner or a 46-year-old Bonecrusher quitting the next year in his old-timers fight with 50-year-old Holmes.

It's a nice counter balance.