Tim Witherspoon: Best I Faced

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Was interesting to see how much respect he gives Tony Tubbs, a heavyweight favorite of mine who doesn't seem to get much respect on this forum.


    BEST I FACED: TIM WITHERSPOON
    BY TOM GRAY

    A natural athlete, Tim Witherspoon had played basketball, football, baseball, tennis and soccer before turning to the sweet science at the belated age of 21. This sharp-shooting Philadelphia product had only a handful of amateur bouts but continued to serve his apprenticeship when he entered the paid ranks in October 1979.

    One year later, unbeaten in four professional fights, the baby-faced novice was sparring with his childhood idol, Muhammad Ali, ahead of the faded legend’s infamous bout with WBC heavyweight champion Larry Holmes.

    “Ali had nothing left,” said Witherspoon mournfully. “I was scared to hit him because he was sick and fragile. That might make people uncomfortable but I’m a witness to what went down in that camp. In a way, Larry was cheated out of making history because his victory over Ali was tainted.”

    In May 1983, Witherspoon, now 15-0, faced Holmes for the title. In one of the finest heavyweight duels of the decade, Witherspoon matched “The Easton Assassin” from beginning to end and, for many at ringside, including legendary trainer Angelo Dundee, was very unlucky to come out on the wrong end of a split decision.

    Witherspoon said, “I was unknown and that was just politics. I had no problem dealing with Larry’s style and if you watch the fight, at the end of the first round, I waved my hand to show him that I wasn’t impressed. He had nothing I hadn’t seen before, and I knew he couldn’t do anything with me.”

    Holmes relinquished the WBC title in late 1983 and would defend the IBF strap for the remainder of his championship reign. In March of the following year, Witherspoon and fellow American contender Greg Page were matched for the vacant WBC title and “Terrible” Tim prevailed via majority decision.

    “Page was too hung up on trying to be the next Ali,” said Witherspoon. “He was from Louisville, Kentucky, the same place Ali came from, but there was no comparison as fighters. God bless Greg, he had a tragic end to his life and it was horrible when he passed away.”

    Inconsistency plagued the remainder of Witherspoon’s own career. He immediately lost the title to Pinklon Thomas, but picked up the WBA version from Tony Tubbs in 1986. Witherspoon also broke British hearts that year when he defeated the beloved Frank Bruno but financial disputes with his promoter, Don King, were now a serious burden inside and outside the ring.

    James “Bonecrusher” Smith, an opponent he had already beaten, relieved Witherspoon of his second world title (via first-round stoppage) and he would never contend for a championship again.

    “I would never quit though,” said the former titleholder, who finally retired in 2003. “I’m a Philadelphia fighter and we don’t quit when the going get rough. Even today, I’m keen to give back to the game and I have a real talent for coaching in the gym.”

    A gifted heavyweight performer for 24 years, Tim Witherspoon (55-13-1, 38 knockouts) discussed the best he faced in 10 key categories.

    BEST SKILLS

    Tony Tubbs:

    He was elusive, smart and boxed really well. We went 15 rounds and I can honestly say that Tony was the best pure boxer I ever faced.

    BEST JAB

    Carl Williams:

    Carl “The Truth” had a very hard jab and what a reach. He had boxed Larry (Holmes) and a lot of people thought he came close to beating him. Williams’ jab was much harder to deal with than Larry’s, in my opinion.

    BEST DEFENSE

    Tubbs:

    Of all the guys I fought, Tony Tubbs was the hardest to hit. You threw punches at him at him and he wasn’t there. He was very slick.

    BEST CHIN

    James “Bonecrusher” Smith:

    In our first fight I hit him with absolutely everything and he stood up to it. From the first round to the final round he took my best and just looked at me.

    Witherspoon stops Bruno (Photo: Getty Images)

    BEST PUNCHER

    Frank Bruno:

    My defense was one of my best assets but Bruno hit me really hard early on. He had me stumbling and, although I stayed calm, there were people who thought I looked in serious trouble.

    FASTEST HANDS

    Tubbs:

    Tony Tubbs had the quickest hands. I had so much respect for his fight game because he could do everything in the book. If he had kept his weight down, he could have had a much better career. Tony was scared of nobody and was very under rated.

    FASTEST FEET

    Tubbs:

    I never looked at feet but if I had to pick someone it would be Tubbs. When we were boxing he was very nimble and even when I hurt him, he vanished the moment I followed up. He stepped around you really fast and was clever at buying time.

    SMARTEST

    Tubbs:

    Tony was intelligent but he lacked strength and a big punch. Fans may expect me to say Larry Holmes, but he was lacking in key areas.

    STRONGEST

    Andrew Golota:

    Golota was really strong but his game plan was stupid. I wasn’t in shape and would have been in trouble if he’d put pressure on me but anytime I loaded up on the overhand right, he stepped backwards. I noticed that early so, when I needed breathing room, I would feint with the overhand and he backed off.

    BEST OVERALL

    Larry Holmes:

    I’ll give him credit because of what he achieved, but Larry didn’t trouble me. He would just jab, throw the right hand and clinch. Larry never went to the body, he had no inside game and couldn’t slip a punch. In the ninth round, after I hurt him, it looked like he came firing back, but I was “rubbernecking” which means I slipped every bomb he threw. I was taught how to do that by a great trainer called “Slim” Jim Robinson. Larry was lucky to get the decision that night and he knew it. He did have amazing courage and a big heart but styles make fights.

    Tom Gray is a member of the British Boxing Writers’ Association and has contributed to various publications. Follow him on Twitter: @Tom_Gray_Boxing
     
  2. JackSilver

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    Some strange answers.

    Tubbs is the smartest, has the best skills, the best defence and the fastest hands and feet but Holmes who’s not the best in any categories, and said by Witherspoon to have had nothing to his game beyond a basic jab, followed by a right hand and then a clinch, no body or inside game and couldn’t slip a punch is somehow rated the best overall by Witherspoon! Wtf?
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It sounds like he rates Holmes the highest because of his career achievements, not because he was impressed by him in the ring. Not sure if his old beef with Holmes has anything to do with his less than generous appraisals, but he and his trainer were saying the same thing about Holmes 30+ years ago too.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

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    A very strange and inconsistent interview. Bruno hit him the hardest but smith stopped him in 1 round...tubbs is the best in almost every category yet holmes and thomas won decisions over him.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I think he claims that he threw the Smith fight but yeah—naming someone you stopped as the hardest puncher seems to be par for the course for these things.
     
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  6. Contro

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    When you get knocked out you dont actually feel the punch, you see your opponent and then everything goes dark and you just feel yourself falling. You dont feel the punch that got you and even The sensation of your body hitting the ground is muffled. You know you hit the ground because the falling sensation suddenly stops but you dont feel the impact of your chest face etc hitting the mat the way you would had you just tripped and fallen on your face for example.
    Very strange experience its as if you leave your body for a second and enter it again when you try to get up at which point it really is very similar to being drunk.

    When someone is a really hard puncher but doesnt have the skills to really make his power count you can appreciate and feel the power more because you really feel the impact on your arm, your body, your cheek etc.
     
  7. FrankinDallas

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    What is the date of this interview?
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not sure but this Frank Bruno one was published online a couple months ago:
    https://www.ringtv.com/520640-best-faced-frank-bruno/

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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm always so very skeptical about these "Best I've Faced" features...and this one is no exception....I mean, no mention at all of Pinklon Thomas and that master jab that he poleaxed Tim with throughout their fight?? Come the hell on man!!
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    Agreed. Often it's not hard to spot the ones talking rot.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    Interesting description. When foreman got dropped by lyle he said it didnt even hurt because the power was so numbing, he just fell like someone cut the electricity off in his legs.

    Not sure if "appreciate" is the best word id use to describe actually feeling the pain and sensation of the impact of punches from an accurate, coordinated, hard puncher tho!
     
  12. Bokaj

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  13. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just looked at the Witherspoon vs. Smith fight. Witherspoon took a beating, if he "threw" that fight he should get an Oscar for best actor. To believe that Witherspoon "threw" that fight would be like believing Frazier "threw" the first fight with Foreman.

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  14. JohnThomas1

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    100% believable.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    The fight stunk for mine. You can see at various points Witherspoon is plenty alert yet then covering up as if in big trouble. I thought his acting was ordinary.

    The year before he beat Smith 11 rounds to one on all three scorecards. He also weighed a dozen less pounds.

    The Smith fight has never sat well with me. Something stinks. I can honestly say i am not convinced one bit.

    Weavers chin was shot by the time he fought Smith. Experts had correctly predicted his chin might be gone going into the Thomas fight. He was then heavily staggered by the light hitting Williams before landing some hail mary's. Smith actually didn't go after him until he noticeably hurt him. Weaver had been right in front of him until then.
     
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