Tim Witherspoon vs Deontay Wilder

Witherspoon in a one sided beatdown

Witherspoon could be hot and cold but lets assume the best version of him shows up. How is Wilder going to deal with a guy who is aggressively coming forward and pushing Wilder on the back foot? Witherspoon will score at will with his jab and Wilder will be clueless on how to find gaps through Spoon's crab defense.

Wilder won't even see the overhand right that Witherspoon will nail him with. He doesn't have the defensive ability to cope with Witherspoon's jab, overhand right or body punches.

Wilder has a tiny punchers chance. Very very small chance of landing something big. Good luck with that.

Witherspoon tko 7

 

If Tim could beat Bruno who was better then Wilder I’d have to pick him over Wilder

 

I agree Tim wins.

Bruno is not better than Wilder though. Not even remotely.

Bruno has the better jab and fundamentals and was a better clincher. That's about it.

Wilder has more power, way better stamina, a better finisher, better at actually using his height and reach, better footwork, better athleticism, better chin, better resume

 

There is nothing I think Wilder does better...nothing. Maybe stamina but truth be told his stamina sucks. He throws like 20 punches a round no one would get tired doing that.
Bruno has also knocked out more people of note as opposed to the tomato cans of Wilders career.

 

"Nothing"? So you're going to sit there and tell me Bruno is a better finisher than wilder? The only man wilder couldn't stop was Fury who arguably got help from a very lenient ref in the first fight. Wilder is far more aggressive than Bruno.

It is not even debatable that Wilder hits harder.

If we're comparing stamina you're picking a weird hill to die on. Bruno is notorious for gassing out. Again, Wilder only had one fight where his stamina looked bad in the 2nd fury fight getting constantly leaned and bullied by a huge 6'9 heavyweight who outweighed him by like 40 lbs. Wilder also has more late round knockdowns and stoppages than Bruno.

Chin is no comparison. Bruno has been brutally stopped multiple times. Wilder once, and Bruno had better defense and was a better clincher than Wilder so there's no excuse.

Are you disputing that Wilder had better footwork too?

Resume isn't close either. Bruno failed to capture the title over and over and over before finally winning a belt and then losing it. He was never considered the best in the world and was never in that conversation. Wilder was clearly the #1-3 in the world for at least 4 years and defended his belt multiple times.

 

Wilder is the most over rated fighter I’ve ever seen and heard. He was a fraud from the get go and never took his craft seriously. I agree his stamina is “better” but once he faced a real opponent he looked terrible. He got owned in the first fight and got lucky to even catch him. He shouldn’t have gotten the draw. His power is impressive but let’s face it he knocked out no one. An old Ortiz is his best victory. Can he knock out a real contender like Ruiz? AJ? Fury? Answer is probably not. His footwork is horrendous he has no jab. His defense is amateurish. No I don’t think he’s even in Bruno’s league. Nor am I positive his power is as good as others. Knock out some ranked people of note and we will talk.

 

Frank Bruno
1) Oliver McCall
2) Gerrie Coetzee
3) Joe Bugner
4) Carl Williams
5) James Tillis

these are Bruno’s top five wins. Wilders don’t come close.

 

He did knock out ranked opponents. Ortiz, Stiverne, Brezeale, and Washington were ranked in the top 10 by the WBC and other sanctioning bodies when wilder kmocked them out.

No one is saying Wilder is some all time great or had all time great skill but it's obvious looking on film he hits hard as hell. Certainly harder than Bruno. Do You dare to make a poll on it?

Lol.

Pierre Coetzer was a a journeyman coming off a brutal stoppage loss to Bowe. Maybe you're confusing him with GERRIE Coetzee from the 80's?

Tillis was a moderately skilled guy who constantly got his ass beat whenever he stepped up.

Bugner was a waaay past his prime at 37 altjough he was coming off a decent win over Page, the guy was never a truly elite fighter even in his prime and was criticized for being way too cautious. He was primarily European level most of his career.

Carl Williams was past his prime and coming off a stoppage loss to Morrison.

If we match resumes:

-Ortiz=McCall

-Stiverne>Coetzer

-Arreola>Bugner

-Brezeale>Tillis

-Szpilka>Williams

Pick any of Wilder's best wins and you can find someone better than those guys with the exception of McCall. You picked names that only look good on paper due to name recognition. Bruno's best opponents were all shopworn and past their prime with numerous losses.

 

Bruno knocked out GERRIE in like 110 seconds. Bruno’s record is better then Wilders because Bruno actually faced decent competition. Break Elle is terrible in every way. Talk about past it Arreola really . Wilder had the natural ability he just pisses me off because he sucks. Had he actually taken the game seriously he really could have been good. But as is no not as good as Bruno yet. Maybe a few more wins but need more proof

 

Ok so now you're changing the conversation to Bruno facing better competition? That doesn't matter if he didn't "win". Bruno lost almost every time he stepped up to the elite level.

The only reason you hate Wilder is because he's a big modern heavyweighht who relies on his natural talent and raw power yet still managed to become champ with multiple title defenses. H2h he is extremely flawed with limited skills and mediocre competition but that right hand is still a threat to anyone regardless of all the criticisms.

Wilder would smoke Bruno in 6 rounds and has already had a better career. To even suggest Bruno was way better than Wilder is hilarious.

 

Witherspoon breaks him down on the inside

 

Witherspoon in 4 rounds or less. And in the Bruno or Wilder debate resume wise Bruno is better.

 

Bruno never knocked out anyone as good as Ortiz and he never floored anyone with Fury`s ability to slip shots.

 

After losing his title, Coetzee made token attempts at a comeback. He beat the former title challenger and at that time mid-level foe James "Quick" Tillis by a decision in ten. Next was a journey to England to fight the big-punching contender Frank Bruno. In the offing would be a shot at the WBA title, since win by Tim Witherspoon (who had defeated Tubbs, who had defeated Page). Coetzee was knocked out in round one. After that fight, he announced his retirement, but came back twice during the 1990s, winning by knockout in three against both Dave Fiddler and Wes Turner in 1993, and then winning against Dan Komiscki in three. Coetzee lost to former world Middleweight and Light Heavyweight champion Iran Barkley by a knockout in ten, after dropping him in round two, for the WBB Superheavyweight belt.
Gerry was on the way down when he met Bruno.