Tim Witherspoon VS The Clits

This shows again just how little you know.
The worst ever version of Lewis stopped a prime Vitali. atsch

 

Tim would not do that good. I think he gets stopped by both.

 

They said the same thing about Holmes go ****ing figure. And Holyfield before the Bowe Trilogy...and most recently Lewis. Excuse me if I find this circle jerk tiresome.

As long time boxing fans we should know better and not fall into the same trap each and every time but I see it again and again. With a few stacked exceptions at the elite level you are going to see roughly the same talent level active in the top 5.

1984

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2010

Wlad Klitschko, Champion
1. Vitali Klitschko
2. David Haye
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Tomasz Adamek
5. Ruslan Chageav


-I would take Kirk Johnson's destruction over Oleg over any of Witherspoon's achievements, even the fat Page fight. Oleg was coming off impressive KOs over top 10 fighters in Rahman and Jefferson. Johnson blowing him out was a big deal.

-yes, once upon a time Wlad was upset in bad losses. Maybe we should just dwell on them and ignore that he's been one of the most successful fighters in any division for the past decade?

-No, Vitali's biggest claim to fame is beating the number #2 heavy after a 4 year lay off with injuries. The Lewis fight was certainly a breakout for him.

 

What a load of bollocks!!

 

What is tiresome is the last 7 years during which the Heavyweight division has hit an all-time low. As a long time Boxing Fan, I heard all the criticism of the Heavyweight division across the 80's and probably less so in the 90's but it was for different reasons and a stark contrast to the situation the division is in now.

A case in point is your making Maskaev out be a significant victory for Johnson. Perhaps in context of the division at the time, it was, but Maskaev was not the most durable of opponents, was he? TKO'd in 1 by McCall (himself just recently beaten by Frank Bruno) and later stopped by David Tua.

Granted, Maskaev's win over Rahman was reasonable but Hasim had hardly proved himself to be indestructible and who the hell was Jefferson - ever? The best you can say about Johnson's win over Maskaev is that the latter was probably at his peak.

The level this discussion has descended to, in terms of the names having to be dug up, shows how shallow the depth of the division has been for the majority of the last decade and, please, Sam Peter? Biggest win for Vitali? Says it all really and I rest my case.


EDIT: Re your top 5 for 1984 & 2010 comparison.
Prime-for-Prime, I'd back any from the Class of '84 to beat any of those in 2010. No wonder Wlad's been so successful, eh?

 

Prime Golota?

 

I see your approach to debate is as creative as the Boxing of the Klitschkos.

 

Your post seems full of hate and ignorance. I was a huge Holmes fan, but the guy got a **** ton of criticism during his day for fighting bums. Joe Louis got a **** ton of criticism.

Wlad is fight the best available opposition and even chasing down challengers and calling them out. Champs dont even need to do that.

Wlad would kill Witherspoon. Eddie chambers would win every rd vs witherspoon for gods sake.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Tim Witherspoon? Give me a ****ing break. he was a good fighter but either Klitschko would destroy him, he is a class below them, which isn't an insult.

 

How do you rationalise that then?
Who have the Klitschkos beaten that, on their best day would have, without a shadow of a doubt, beaten Tim Witherspoon on his?

 

There's not many guys I can say would beat Witherspoon without a shadow of a doubt, but Wlad Klitschko has absolutley dominated and KO'd guys that would've given Witherspoon a lot of trouble at least. Chagaev, Byrd, Brock, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson, McCline, Mercer to name a few.
My opinion is mostly based on watching both fighters, it is apparent that Wlad is a better fighter. More skilled, harder puncher, better conditioning, faster hands, he just does everything better.
The Klitschkos have also dominated the division for a long period, Witherspoon was active in a weak division and never came close to doing that.

 

Let me dig real deep for this one...really deep.

Ray Mercer

/end thread

 

Tim ****in witherspoon :nut Man people are really digging up semi above average fighters and trying to claim they were ever something special.

 

The TS asked if the "best of Witherspoon" could beat the Klitschkos.
To my mind, it would be fair to suggest that the best of Witherspoon was seen in his close loss to Larry Holmes.

I have already acknowledged that Witherspoon was an underachiever and the lack of consistency in his ledger can't hold a flame to Wlad's dominance but the question wasn't a comparison of records.

With the above in mind, I believe the best version of Witherspoon was a class Heavyweight and that, on his day, would outshine anything Wlad or Vitali has beaten. The best of the Boxers you have listed above is Mercer but he is a 90's Heavy, really, and was 43 years old when he met Wlad. Early to mid 90's Mercer would have been a whole different story and, incidentally, held a UD victory over an ageing Witherspoon himself, during that period.

I honestly can't see any of the others you list, including Byrd, as being a serious test for Prime and 'On Song' Witherspoon. It's all about levels and I just don't see Wlad having ever been tested by someone who could turnout as well as I have witnessed Witherspoon perform and that includes the two guys that beat Wlad.

Everyone's got an opinion and, based on the question given, I think the "best of Witherspoon" could beat either of the Klitschkos.