Time to freeze out Mayweather---thoughts?

lillarry · Dec 24, 2008

Danny_Rand said: ↑

You are an utter buffoon. Floyd has the legacy of being in 2 of the biggest fights this decade. Did your dumbass even read the thread. Oscar vs Floyd did 2.4 million. Oscar didnt come close to that fighting Mosley. Didnt come close to that fighting Tito. Get that dope? Tito Trinidad the pride of Puerto Rico didnt do half what Mayweather who you supposedly think doesnt attract fans did. Floyd has 10 times the popularity of Calzaghe. No one knows who the hell that guy who slaps old guys is. Nobody cares to watch his fights. Hell, he couldnt even sell out madison square fighting Roy Jones Jr. Fight barely did 200,000 buys. Floyd did twice that fighting Baldomir. You're a moron and dont know what the hell you're talking about. Oh and Floyds has had plenty of exciting fights, especially below 140 with the likes of Castillo and Chavez.
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:deal Like I said time after time, Floyd in 2007 turned into a superstar. You replace Floyd with any other P4P fighter, those ppv numbers would have been cut in half.

JoeyP · Dec 24, 2008

Wow--this thread got alot more going than I thought it would. And no--I'm not joking about this.

Someone said that the top guys need PBF more than he needs them. I disagree. PBF's EGO needs those big name stars more than anything else. He has to be in the biggest light, on the biggest stage, with the biggest name. Period. His ego won't allow for anything else. At least that's my opinion.

Also my opinion is that I would bet the other top guys who have met him(PBF) probably don't like him or hate him for various reasons--his arrogance, his Wins, his style in the ring, or it could be from just plain envy. Again--my opinion.

Now, you couldn't freeze the guy out forever---no way. But I think it could be done on a limited basis. There are lots of other good fights to be made at and around that weight class.

Someone also suggested I was "scared" for the guys at the top. Why? What do I care. I have no particular loyality to anyone. I would most likely pick PBF in a match up with the other guys at around the 147 weight class.

Here's my point---Don't let this guy run all over you at the table---don't give in to what will be his demand for the lion's share of the purse. He is no longer champ, and he is no longer P4P #1. Demand an equal share or walk away. Freeze him out of the big fights that he says(and his EGO demands) he wants. Either he will have to give in, or he will stay retired, or he will have to take a smaller fight.

The guy walked away from the sport and has been gone for over a year. He shouldn't have to start at the bottom, but I also don't think he should be able to negotiate from the very top.

DAGOBOY · Dec 24, 2008

that is really funny. you gotta be joking

Danny_Rand · Dec 24, 2008

lillarry said: ↑

:deal Like I said time after time, Floyd in 2007 turned into a superstar. You replace Floyd with any other P4P fighter, those ppv numbers would have been cut in half.
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Some of these morons are ****ing ******ed. Calzaghe as popular as Mayweather. :rofl

sdsfinest22 · Dec 24, 2008

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where did i state that i did not like mayweather in this or any threed on esb? Saying that someone is a larger atraction is not saying that i don't like the guy as a boxer.
Dose mayweather have fans who will travel from grand rapids or las vegas if the fight is not there like hatton has a group of fans who will travel from manchester? Aremyou sugesting that mayweather is 100% responisible for all money that was made from his fight with hatton? That seemes pretty outragus to suguest that ".floyd-hatton did 1 million buys" your words not mine.
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no sir not saying that at all...but if floyd fought malignaggi it would be a bigger fight than hatton fighting malignaggi...your using the debate that the economy had to do with the oscar-pac fight...imo numbers don't lie...1.4 mil compared to 2.4 mil...only oscar is a bigger draw than floyd imo...maybe tito if he were to lose some weight and make some decent fights...but im suggesting that other fighters top there ppv buys out with floyd...floyd-hatton was also the fastest to ever sale out...fighters will make more money for fighting floyd than they would fighting other fighters...the title of this thread is "time to freeze out mayweather"

but if tony could make more money fighting floyd rather than another fighter why would tony not take the floyd fight?? Especially being that Tony would kill him (tony's fans opinion, not mine)...

sdsfinest22 · Dec 24, 2008

JoeyP said: ↑

Wow--this thread got alot more going than I thought it would. And no--I'm not joking about this.

Someone said that the top guys need PBF more than he needs them. I disagree. PBF's EGO needs those big name stars more than anything else. He has to be in the biggest light, on the biggest stage, with the biggest name. Period. His ego won't allow for anything else. At least that's my opinion.

Also my opinion is that I would bet the other top guys who have met him(PBF) probably don't like him or hate him for various reasons--his arrogance, his Wins, his style in the ring, or it could be from just plain envy. Again--my opinion.

Now, you couldn't freeze the guy out forever---no way. But I think it could be done on a limited basis. There are lots of other good fights to be made at and around that weight class.

Someone also suggested I was "scared" for the guys at the top. Why? What do I care. I have no particular loyality to anyone. I would most likely pick PBF in a match up with the other guys at around the 147 weight class.

Here's my point---Don't let this guy run all over you at the table---don't give in to what will be his demand for the lion's share of the purse. He is no longer champ, and he is no longer P4P #1. Demand an equal share or walk away. Freeze him out of the big fights that he says(and his EGO demands) he wants. Either he will have to give in, or he will stay retired, or he will have to take a smaller fight.

The guy walked away from the sport and has been gone for over a year. He shouldn't have to start at the bottom, but I also don't think he should be able to negotiate from the very top.
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Thats business for ya...I think Floyd has more options than any fighter out there...Pac has options but not all are megafights...Arum himself said if Hatton or Floyd dont wanna fight in a megafight than Judah or Holt is there in a "regular fight"....Floyd can have megafights all around-Hatton, Pac, Tony, Cotto, Williams, Oscar 2 (though I wouldnt wanna see it) could all be megamega fights..I think your looking at it from a fan prospective but it's a business too...If arum (or King, or Oscar, or Lou, etc...) can put more money in his pocket and the there fighters pocket than they probably will...

JoeyP · Dec 24, 2008

sdsfinest22 said: ↑

Thats business for ya...I think Floyd has more options than any fighter out there...Pac has options but not all are megafights...Arum himself said if Hatton or Floyd dont wanna fight in a megafight than Judah or Holt is there in a "regular fight"....Floyd can have megafights all around-Hatton, Pac, Tony, Cotto, Williams, Oscar 2 (though I wouldnt wanna see it) could all be megamega fights..I think your looking at it from a fan prospective but it's a business too...If arum (or King, or Oscar, or Lou, etc...) can put more money in his pocket and the there fighters pocket than they probably will...
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I see your point. I you are probably right. I am looking at this more from a fan perspective than looking at it from a business point of view.

I would agree that all the top guys could make more from a PBF fight. But I would rather see guys in there fighting who are going to stick around. Fights that lead to other things. Not this "one and done" or "ONLY megafights" And with PBF, I think either would be the case.

JoeyP

Toopretty · Dec 24, 2008

Danny_Rand said: ↑

You are an utter buffoon. Floyd has the legacy of being in 2 of the biggest fights this decade. Did your dumbass even read the thread. Oscar vs Floyd did 2.4 million. Oscar didnt come close to that fighting Mosley. Didnt come close to that fighting Tito. Get that dope? Tito Trinidad the pride of Puerto Rico didnt do half what Mayweather who you supposedly think doesnt attract fans did. Floyd has 10 times the popularity of Calzaghe. No one knows who the hell that guy who slaps old guys is. Nobody cares to watch his fights. Hell, he couldnt even sell out madison square fighting Roy Jones Jr. Fight barely did 200,000 buys. Floyd did twice that fighting Baldomir. You're a moron and dont know what the hell you're talking about. Oh and Floyds has had plenty of exciting fights, especially below 140 with the likes of Castillo and Chavez.
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:good

ReturnofTheKing · Dec 24, 2008

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You are an utter buffoon. Floyd has the legacy of being in 2 of the biggest fights this decade. Did your dumbass even read the thread. Oscar vs Floyd did 2.4 million. Oscar didnt come close to that fighting Mosley. Didnt come close to that fighting Tito. Get that dope? Tito Trinidad the pride of Puerto Rico didnt do half what Mayweather who you supposedly think doesnt attract fans did. Floyd has 10 times the popularity of Calzaghe. No one knows who the hell that guy who slaps old guys is. Nobody cares to watch his fights. Hell, he couldnt even sell out madison square fighting Roy Jones Jr. Fight barely did 200,000 buys. Floyd did twice that fighting Baldomir. You're a moron and dont know what the hell you're talking about. Oh and Floyds has had plenty of exciting fights, especially below 140 with the likes of Castillo and Chavez.

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great post, that's called putting a hater in his place:deal

pauliemayweathe · Dec 24, 2008

JoeyP said: ↑

With it looking more and more likely that Mayweather will be coming back, I think now is a great opportunity for other fighters/promoters to freeze this guy out of action. At least for awhile.

It would seem to me that he needs the top guys now(PM, AM) more than they need him. I def. think they should at least split the purse and not give in to his (what will be) demands for the lion's share of the purse. In PM's case, I think he should demand to fight at 140(or lower) instead of 147.

PBF has been out for a year. The sport has moved on. New champs our fighting it out in the ring, deciding the pecking order. PBF will only throw a wrench into the mess by coming back and trying to reclaim the spotlight.

FREEZE THIS GUY OUT---STAY RETIRED!

JoeyP
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Is that u dana white???:thumbsup

pauliemayweathe · Dec 24, 2008

JoeyP said: ↑

Wow--this thread got alot more going than I thought it would. And no--I'm not joking about this.

Someone said that the top guys need PBF more than he needs them. I disagree. PBF's EGO needs those big name stars more than anything else. He has to be in the biggest light, on the biggest stage, with the biggest name. Period. His ego won't allow for anything else. At least that's my opinion.

Also my opinion is that I would bet the other top guys who have met him(PBF) probably don't like him or hate him for various reasons--his arrogance, his Wins, his style in the ring, or it could be from just plain envy. Again--my opinion.

Now, you couldn't freeze the guy out forever---no way. But I think it could be done on a limited basis. There are lots of other good fights to be made at and around that weight class.

Someone also suggested I was "scared" for the guys at the top. Why? What do I care. I have no particular loyality to anyone. I would most likely pick PBF in a match up with the other guys at around the 147 weight class.

Here's my point---Don't let this guy run all over you at the table---don't give in to what will be his demand for the lion's share of the purse. He is no longer champ, and he is no longer P4P #1. Demand an equal share or walk away. Freeze him out of the big fights that he says(and his EGO demands) he wants. Either he will have to give in, or he will stay retired, or he will have to take a smaller fight.

The guy walked away from the sport and has been gone for over a year. He shouldn't have to start at the bottom, but I also don't think he should be able to negotiate from the very top.
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here it is plain and simple for you...PBF is the best fighter on the planet...this is a fact...he is 39-0 and a five division champ. If you hate him u should wnat him to fight the best so he can lose and be proven to be mayrunner or gayweather or whatever u haters call him...he is the top dog...number 1...he fights who he wants when he wants...u r saying now he should not have to fight the BEST??? who the **** is more proven than PBF at 147...NOONE....boxing needs him...if u hate him then hate and watch him fight the best and get beat....don't start this he doesn't deserve to fight the best ****...HE IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!dealthumbsup:bbb

NALLEGE · Dec 24, 2008

JoeyP said: ↑

Wow--this thread got alot more going than I thought it would. And no--I'm not joking about this.

Someone said that the top guys need PBF more than he needs them. I disagree. PBF's EGO needs those big name stars more than anything else. He has to be in the biggest light, on the biggest stage, with the biggest name. Period. His ego won't allow for anything else. At least that's my opinion.

Also my opinion is that I would bet the other top guys who have met him(PBF) probably don't like him or hate him for various reasons--his arrogance, his Wins, his style in the ring, or it could be from just plain envy. Again--my opinion.

Now, you couldn't freeze the guy out forever---no way. But I think it could be done on a limited basis. There are lots of other good fights to be made at and around that weight class.

Someone also suggested I was "scared" for the guys at the top. Why? What do I care. I have no particular loyality to anyone. I would most likely pick PBF in a match up with the other guys at around the 147 weight class.

Here's my point---Don't let this guy run all over you at the table---don't give in to what will be his demand for the lion's share of the purse. He is no longer champ, and he is no longer P4P #1. Demand an equal share or walk away. Freeze him out of the big fights that he says(and his EGO demands) he wants. Either he will have to give in, or he will stay retired, or he will have to take a smaller fight.

The guy walked away from the sport and has been gone for over a year. He shouldn't have to start at the bottom, but I also don't think he should be able to negotiate from the very top.
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You are nothing but a hater of Floyd. What you are saying doesn't even mathematically make sense. You are talking about fighters lives. All Floyd did was retire from the sport because he got bored with it. Fighters want to make money. If they can do it with anyone besides Floyd they would. He retired and came back. He possibly got the hunger back. Talk of freezing him out of anything is about as assinine a thought as I've read in this forum

Marnoff · Dec 24, 2008

Yes, lets freeze out the best fighter in the world....

That would punish boxing fans as much as it would punish him.

lONGCOUNTED · Dec 24, 2008

pauliemayweathe said: ↑

here it is plain and simple for you...PBF is the best fighter on the planet...this is a fact...he is 39-0 and a five division champ. If you hate him u should wnat him to fight the best so he can lose and be proven to be mayrunner or gayweather or whatever u haters call him...he is the top dog...number 1...he fights who he wants when he wants...u r saying now he should not have to fight the BEST??? who the **** is more proven than PBF at 147...NOONE....boxing needs him...if u hate him then hate and watch him fight the best and get beat....don't start this he doesn't deserve to fight the best ****...HE IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!dealthumbsup:bbb
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No, a better question is who the hell did he beat at 147 for you to make that claim?

NALLEGE · Dec 24, 2008

Has Floyd ever been tough on any fighter during negotiations of a fight...!!!??? What is the true reason why anyone would want to freeze Floyd out of the big fights lol?

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