What are your objective thoughts about him now as an MMA fighter? He caught a lot of flak coming from the world of San Shou, and for fighting bums in this first few fights in MMA. He obviously has some skills and was underated by many. And, of course the tendency now after yesterday may be to overate him. So what are your balanced opinions, all things equal?
hard to really judge last nights fight. shamrock is old and fought a stupid fight IMO. not trying to take anything away from Cung, but it really leaves some unanswered questions. it was a great night for him though.
Yeah Frank is old. He is 35......er....uh....hmm....Cung Le is 35. I guess he is old too. By the way how old is Chuck Liddell? How old is Randy Couture? Cung is still developing as an MMA fighter however with another year of training and a few more perfomances like last night's I can see a mega-event versus Anderson Silva on the horizon.
Le's standup is, and always has been, overrated. His hands anyway, his kicks are good, and his takedowns in San Shou were phenomenal, which is why he's been able to hold his own in terms of takedown defense, etc in MMA so far. He'd get handled by Silva on the feet. He's a good fighter though, I just want to see him against a good ground fighter, or a really good striker.
Last night was hardly evidence of him being a top middleweight, 3 slow paced rounds of striking, 2 half hearted takedown attempts, got hurt, and then the fight ends on a weird injury.
We didn't learn anything new about him last night, sadly. We know he's got fast hands and some amazing but bizarre kicks. We know he lacks any kind of instant knockout power, but his blows add up over time to some considerable damage. His takedown defense might be okay, but it's never really been tested. We know absolutely nothing about his groundgame. Until we see a fighter face him who avoids the gameplan of, "I'm going to beat him standing!", we're not going to know anything we already don't.
you a fool if you only take age into consideation. you don't think two people of the same age can have bodies that are miles apart as far as wear and tear? many fighters can't even last into their 30's then you get guys like BHOP and Randy well into their 40's. how long has Frank been fighting in MMA?
I think it's interesting to see a san shou / type of fighter...they're extremely rare. From what i've seen , i'd say that he's skilled but i'm not super impressed either. But yeah , he's got some skills...But what differenciates him from most fighters is that he's very endurant too.
I don't know, I think it is pretty clear that Le will probably never be good enough to last more than one round with Anderson Silva...
I'm with you on this. Beating Frank Shamrock at standup, when your thing is standup is not a huge deal if your name is Kung Le. Come on now, world class striker versus a guy who is more known as a game grappler who is slippery and has a ton of endurance.. Looks like Kung Le is very vulnerable to being punched in the face.. All those kicks, many of them translate to takedown opportunities.. Kicks should be reserved for the legs, or at very opportune times, and not used as the staple of an offense for an MMA fighter. Crocop gets away with it because he only needs to land one, and can back it up with punching power, mix it up with devastating liver kicks since he is a southpaw.. Keep watching him, if he can handle a quality grappler, then yeah. Lets see him up against some big names.
Cung Le is extremley talented and very athletic. He was able to control Frank which is ****ing amazing....I honestly thought Frank would dominate by round 2 but Cung's Kicks were too much for Frank to get anything going. I think the Variety, speed and power were all underestimated by Frank. Hade Frank been able to get Cung to the ground the fight would have been different but Kudos to Cung he was able to avoid the Take down attempts from Frank. By the time Frank wanted to switch up his game plan I think His wrist was already on the brinks from blocking too many of those high round house kicks. Cung deserves all the Respect for beating a guy who is a legend in MMA. FRank may be old but he still whoops everyone's ass at 185. Aside from Cung of course....:yep I'm going with Frank in the rematch though....if it occurs.
