B/c Frank has power and Cung showed a good Chin and he has faught 1 ELITE level MMA fighter in Frank. Grant it....it wasn't a well versed MMA fight...it was mostly a Kickboxing/Boxing match and the better striker in Cung proved his hands and feet are superior. Silva is a striker like Cung so the match up is VERY interesting. I'm leaning towards Silva but I can see Cung beating Silva as well. To me it's more of a toss up between the two deadly strikers.
I don't see that at all. Cung has a pretty good chin sure, but he clearly does NOT have the chin to be able to take strikes from Anderson Silva. Frank Shamrock has a pretty solid right hand, but he is not the striker Silva is. I believe Silva not only has a better ground game than Cung, but he is also the stronger, faster, more technically dominant striker. If Cung can get some real KO power behind his strikes he might stand a chance.
Cung has KO power beleive that...All you have to do is check his record in MMA and in K-1. Silvia is a great striker no doubt but to say Cung is not is playing yourself. The fight between the two would be a competitive bout for as long as it lasted but I don't see Sivia being that much better than Le or vise versa. Both men are Elite level strikers....I think the only thing Silvia has over Cung in terms of striking would be his elbows.
Getting close enough for to land those elbows is going to be a *****. I don't count Cung out against anyone.
I don't either....although...Frank didn't try very hard to get Cung on the ground....alot has to do with Cungs very diverse and very intelligent offense.......and alot has to do with Franks pride and wanting to "PROVE" he could beat Cung at his own game. There is little doubt who is better on the ground just as there is little doubt who is the better striker.....Anderson is a great striker as well and the elbows would be hard to land on Cung given how well Le can control range, but this fight is a toss up.
Anderson silva's koed hendo and other tough fighters so he ha legit ko power, cung le has koed nobody of note. Also frank shamrock is not an eltie middleweight he is not top ten, i like cung le but until he fights some better guys and gets the same result i am not jumping on the bandwagon. In regards ti silva he is also excellent on the ground, something which cung is not.
What!!! Look...in MMA Cung is still new...his only real meaningful KO was against Frank but it's only his 6th fight in MMA...Given that in only his 6th MMA fight he KO'd one of the best Mix Martial Artists in the world that is ****ing amazing. But you forget Cung had a long K-1 career or kick boxing career where they used 8-10 ounce gloves! Cung was KOing most his opponents. Soild fighters like Ben Harris, Minaro Tauro, Dan Garett,Mike Altman,Jeff Thornhill......He even dominated Shonnie Carter and had him Rocked on a couple of occassions. To say Frank is not an ELITE MW is ridicoulous! There are no other people close to frank at MW besides guys like Hendo and Silva. Frank has always been an ELITE MMA fighter when he is active. You don't have to be sold on Cung to respect his accomplishments in his young MMA career....Dominating Frank shamrock isn't something that happens often and has never happened until this past weekend. Cung isn't great on the ground which I agree but he is an ELITE striker.
Cung's standup is overrated. His hands are really sub-par. His kicks are good, but without the use of his patented scissor kicks and throws(that likely wouldn't be as effective against top notch grapplers) that made him so great in San Shou, his standup game is reduced to unorthodox kicks and punch-kick combos. He'll get beaten by any good grappler with a gameplan, or any top notch striker. Anderson would destroy him.
Cung was pretty damn effective against Frank who is a Top Rated Grappler. the Scissor kicks won't do much in MMA. Cung used the Scissor kicks in K-1 b/c it was a flashy was to score points and he was damn good at it. Cung's stand up can't be overrated b/c no one really rates him....welll at least they didnt until Saturday. But his Stand up is legit! If it casued problems for Frank it will cause problems for anyone at this elite level. Cung has a chance at anyone who is at the top due to his accurate and powerful strikes. His hands are decent...nothing great but then again...in MMA no ones hands are great...not even Silva. But kicks.....Cung and Anderson are in a class by themselves at MW.
Frank wasn't top rated and isn't elite, he was 5-10 years ago though. His lat big win was against tito in 1999, and he has only had 6 fights since the year 2000. Cung lee isn't that new to mma he has been around for a about 2 years.
Whatever. Sure he beat Frank Shamrock by a Technical Knock Out when Frank couldn't answer the bell due to an injury. Admittedly, the injury was caused by repeated kicks to Frank's forearms but let's not compare that KO to Anderson Silva's brutal lightning fast knockouts. Anderson Silva puts people to sleep in devastating fashion and Cung made a guy quit on his stool because he kicked his arms for three rounds. It is almost impossible for me to imagine a middleweight making it into the third round with Silva (it's been so long since I've seen it, after all). He can really hurt almost any opponent very very badly with knees, elbows, punches or kicks. All it takes is ONE blow from Anderson and you could be on ***** street, and as mentioned it could be one blow from any of his very very numerous weapons. Cung Le is good but Anderson Silva is MMA superman. I don't see the fight even being competitive.
That's relatively new in MMA standards and 6 fights in 2 years isn't a lot to say he has "seniority" nor high level experience. Frank is always Top Rated in his repsective division bc he hasn't ever lost convincingly. Frank has been inactive but the last person to beat was a decade ago!
No one is comparing a straight KO to a TKO. I'm only stating that to break someone's arm with a kick doesn't mean you kick like a toddler. That means you got power. There have been one punch and one Kick KO's from Cung just as there have been for Silva. Both men have this ability. My point is only that for some of you it's very easy to write Cung off b/c you don't know his ability. Cung has just as good of strikes as does Silva.
Frank fought the same dumb fight Fryklund fought. Fryklund fought the same dumb fight against Ludwig and Ludwig beat the **** out of Fryklund far worse than Le did. I'm not sold on Le. So far he's been one dimensional against guys who've allowed him to be one dimensional. I need to see what he's like against a well round world class fighter who is'nt into matcho BS like Fryklund and Frank were.
