Timeline of the premiere LWW in the world.

*still deliberating whether to consider the divisions first forray into boxing during the 30's*

Carlos Ortiz: (july)1959-(september)1960 [loses to loi]
Duilio Loi: (september)1960-(september)1962 [loses to perkins]
Eddie Perkins: (september)1962-(december)1962 [loses rematch to loi]
Duilio Loi: (december)1962-(june)1963 [retires his claim whilst perkins beats cruz]

Eddie Perkins: (june)1963-(august)1965 [loses to napoles]
Jose Napoles: (august)1965-(august)1966 [loses to morgan]
LC Morgan: (august)1966-(september)1966 [loses claim when locche beats lopopolo]

Nicolino Locche: (september)1966-(march)1972 [loses to frazer]
Alfonso Frazer: (march)1972-(october)1972 [loses to cervantes]
Antonio Cervantes: (october)1972-(march)1976 [loses to benitez]
Wilfred Benitez: (march)1976-(august)1978 [loses claim when cervantes beats sekgapane]

Antonio Cervantes: (august)1978-(august)1980 [loses to pryor]
Aaron Pryor: (august)1980-(july)1987 [loses claim when sacco beats hatcher]

Ubaldo Sacco: (july)1987-(march)1986 [loses to oliva
Patrizio Oliva: (march)1986-(july)1987 [loses to coggi]
Juan Coggi: (july)1987-(may)1989 [loses claim when chavez beats mayweather]

Julio Chavez: (may)1989-(jan)1994 [loses to randall]
Frankie Randall: (jan)1994-(jan)1996 [loses claim when tszyu beats pineda]

Kostya Tszyu: (jan)1996-(july)1998 [loses claim when de la hoya beats chavez]

Oscar De La Hoya: (july)1996-(may)1997 [vacates claim whilst phillips bests tszyu]

Vince Phillips: (may)1997-(october)1998 [loses claim when mitchell beats rahilou]

Sharmba Mitchell: (october)1998-(august)1999 [loses claim when tszyu beats gonzalez]

Kostya Tszyu: (august)1999-(july)2003 [loses claim when harris beats m'baye]

Vivian Harris: (july)2003-(november)2004 [loses claim when tszyu betas mitchell]

Kostya Tszyu: (november)2004-(july)2005 [loses to hatton]
Ricky Hatton: (july)2005-(september)2007 [loses claim when witter beats harris]

Junior Witter: (september)2007-(may)2008 [loses claim when hatton lazcano]

Ricky Hatton: (may)2008-(december)2009 [loses to pacquiao]
Manny Pacquiao: (may)2009-(december)2009 [vacates claim whilst bradley beats peterson]

Timothy Bradley: (december)2009-(july)2011 [loses claim when khan beats judah]

Khan: (july)2011-(december)2011 [loses to peterson]
Lamont Peterson: (december)2011- present [on an interim basis pending the result of bradley's next fight]

 

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

What strikes me is that napoles and locche spent quite a long time being ducked by the belt holder of the time.

I'm not totally convinced with the lineage through Billy ocstello but I don't think anyone was doing any better.

I remember the hype around Judah so I'm pretty convinced by his status as top dog until Tszyu dethroned him.

also Once Bradley went inactive after beating alexander and repeatedly ducking khan, I can't keep him at the top so Khan takes his place.

 

weak opposition? he unified the 3 belts in dominant fashion. I can't think of anyone doing better than Tszyu in them years nor can I think of anyone ranking above him.

Hatton turning down floyd in 04 means nothing to me. in 05 hatton beat tszyu and maussa to unify two belts.

A fight with Witter would have been great and there was a point when witter (after knocking out Harris) has a decent argument for being the best out there but I think ricky was always better.

Don't care why Timbo ducked Khan, them two were literally neck and neck at the top and he went AWOL leaving Khan as top dog once he'd knocked out Judah.

How would your timeline look?

as for criteria, there's no hard and fast rule, I pretty much read through the lineage and all the claimants (pre alphabet era I look at leading contenders (i.e. napoles and locce) and judge them year by year and in many cases fight by fight.

Tszyu went inactive in 04 I think and I was tempted to drop him but I don't think anyone did anything of real note during that time.

Do you think Floyd has a decent claim? I never considered it as overly legit but I might revisit.

 

It wasn't a consistent division early on and I'm not sure as to how recognised it was. From the Ortiz days it was ceratinly in full flow and has been ever since.

 

Well I woulnd't put him top 10 in this particulas division, nor any others to be honest.

I haven't finalised my top 400 or so but I'd imagine he'd be in the bottom hundred from the top of my head.

I'll let you know when I finalise my rankings :good

 

I'm just going off top of my head, not sure what the top "x" actually is yet.

There could be more than 400, however many there is though. this man will obviously be in it :good

 

1. Harris might have a case at some point but I'm not sure anyone else surpasse zoo during the time.

2. A unification is a unification, maussa knocked out Harris which is better than anything floyd had done at the weight.

3. You might put money on, but I wouldn't have done.

4. No I don't think it was managerial at all, he said himself losing to khan would damage his chances of getting pac or floyd. This wasn't a manager stopping him fighting, it was more like bowe throwing the belt away rather than face lewis (I put Lewis above Bowe during that time as well, same way I put Wills above Dempsey when he chose Hollywood over continued negotiations)

5&6. Whatever criteria you choose. I've basically imagined I'm a sanctioning body and have backdated the award of my title from the start of a divisions global recognition. It's been fun so far, I'm on the LW's as we speak (type)

7. Gatti no, Mitchell no, Harris probably but I'll look into that later.

8. I can't see anyway Floyd is seen as the best at the weight tbh. Gatti is so many levels removed from Kostya that the two can't really be compared. Floyd didn't do enough at the weight for me, which is fine because the money was at WW. It just means he doesn't make my list :good

 

Nah imo that's absolute bull****.

These trinkets are portions of the world crown. unifications, imo, are always a good thing. I don't give a **** about a big fat mexican raking money in, what I give a **** about is Leonard and Hearns unifying to see who's the best in the division; Lewis and Holyfield unifying to see who's the best in the division etc etc.

As you can see, I only ever recognise one man but every one with a belt has a valid claim that should atleast be considered before being dismissed.

the man makes the belt, dismissing all belts as meaningless is naive (although it's something I used to do before seeing sense)