Timofei Konstantinovich Tszyu vs. Brian Marino Mendoza & Sam Goodman vs. Miguel Flores RBR.

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  1. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love Sam Goodman and his crew. They're a good bunch of fellas.

    ****ing good to see Nader Hamdan up and about. The guys a gentlemen.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It is when you're so wary of that power that you barely throw any punches for 4 rounds, which should cause you to lose them. LOL

    See, that's how boxing works. Kovalev's power caused Ward to keep his hands at home for the first 6 rounds of their fight. And because of that..... Ward lost those rounds.
     
  3. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    First of all Tim did not lose all of the first 4 rounds he sticks to a game plan and it worked he got to Mendoza by being patient then busted him up. Ward was only cautious after he got dropped his plan wasn't to keep his hands at home Kovalev forced him to do that. It's funny that when Tim is patient now that is a bad thing but when he went for the kill against Ocampo some people said if he does that against a big puncher he will get KO'd. See Tszyu is an intelligent fighter he knows what to do depending on the opponent he is not basic or one dimensional.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He won the first four, in your very biased opinion. But.... you're about as objective as I am. As far as the Kovalev-Ward analogy, fine throw that out, power has always worked as a deterrent, it's why people would never just bumrush an accurate counter puncher like Mayweather, Rigondeaux, bores like Hitchens and yes even Ward himself. While none of them are massive KO artists, they pack enough of a punch to keep their opponents from rushing in foolishly. Sure, Tim did a better than average job last night defensively, good for him, he's shoring up some of his more glaring flaws. But there's a thin line between fighting responsibly and winning rounds and fighting a little too responsibly, and allowing yourself to get outworked. He got in his head a bit too much in the first half of the fight last night, and if that match was held in the US, you know as well as I, we might all be talking about his first blemish. We're never going to agree in terms of scoring, I have no issue with someone giving this match to Tim by a round, maybe two which is a stretch. But anything wider is asinine.
     
  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I would have thought that Loma Lopez was the analogy you were looking for but I would still disagree with that when it came to Tszyu Mendoza. Mendoza is an excellent fighter and there is no shame in losing a few rounds to him. I thought that Tim was very poised and in control despite dropping a few rounds. Tim also made Mendoza hesitant because of his own power and the educated pressure that Tim applied exhausted Mendoza pretty much nullifying his power in the late rounds. Perhaps if the fight was in the US Tim would've kept his foot on the gas and tried getting Mendoza out of there in the 12th
     
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  6. The Cryptkeeper

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    I disagree with this mate. Tszyu simply takes a few rounds to work his opponent out before committing to the solution to the problem in front of him. He did the same with Harrison, Gausha, Horn, etc.

    Ocampo was a bit of an anomaly in that Tim got him early and saw the opportunity to finish him quickly but by and large, Tim strategically fights the same way his father did…cut the ring off with simple forward/back movement, get the range sorted and then unload.

    It looks simple and many in here have suggested that he’s one dimensional and easy to hit. But he ain’t…nobody has ever banged him up but he’s dished out some fearful beatings on his opponents.

    I fully understand that fights are scored round by round but at no point was Tszyu not in control of that fight. He may have been a round or two behind on the scorecard but he also knows that the fight goes for 12 rounds and tailored the perfect strategy to beat Mendoza on that basis.

    Leaving the cards aside, that was not a remotely close fight. He destroyed Mendoza who it has to be said has a granite chin and immense bravery. But it was not a close fight at all.
     
  7. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I finally found the official scorecards for the Tszyu-Mendoza fight. So many of the vociferous debates after the bout were between those who scored it close for Tszyu or a draw against those who had Tszyu by a wide margin. The high majority of people had the last eight rounds the same ... rounds 6 and 12 for the American and the other six for Timmy. All the "friendly" discussions were about the first four rounds.

    It ends up that, based on the judges scoring, anything form 118-110 for Tszyu to 114-114 may have been feasible. None of the four rounds were unanimous on the judges scorecards. Good to know that we were all right.

    Unfortunately, I can't seem to be able to copy and paste the scorecards in their correct form so here is a link to the PBC page the scorecards are on.

    https://www.premierboxingchampions.com/tim-tszyu-vs-brian-mendoza/scorecard
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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