Timothy Bradley, what was you playing at?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by craney91, Apr 5, 2013.


  1. mishima

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    :deal Bradley's already playing the "trouble making weight" card
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I don't think its really an excuse, its more trying to find reasoning for why he fought like he did, which is not something that is usual. Even when he's the aggressor as in the Devon fight he's usually a lot more educated and calculated and doesn't take extreme chances. He was just swinging in this one and getting caught with flush right hand counters, I've never seen him get hit as cleanly as he did in any other fight as he did about 5-10 times in this fight.

    I think the aftermath of the Pacquiao fight where he came in for a bit of unjust criticism (he didn't exactly compile the scores...did he?!) really got to him and he wanted to come out and show something big and he figured this guy was probably garbage with a bad result against Mauricio Herrera.

    When realistically...Provodnikov may be some kind of power punching Siberian Cyborg that you should just fight from the outside and not try to force anything. I expect he'll still prove to be fairly limited most of the time, but he has a chin and can punch, we know that much.
     
  3. craney91

    craney91 Boxing Addict banned

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    Agree with a lot being said.

    I think it boils down to Bradley being a proud fighter. He has only got where he has got to by pure hard work. Bradley is good at most things, but a master of nothing.

    His heart has got him as far as he is today. A tremendous fighter, the very essence of a fighter, the embodiment of a fighter, the example of a fighter and a gritty fighter at that. His heart makes up for the lack of certain abilities.

    He will be a match for anyone, because he doesn't know how to lose and nobody so far has been able to crack that code but out of that breeds greed and jealousy. Bradley isnt getting a fair shake, especially for an undefeated fighter, he is seeing many fighters getting attention, some more deserving than others, but a lot of average fighters are getting the attention Bradley now feels he deserves and has earned. A similar situation to Carl Froch in a way.

    After the Pacquiao fight, he came under fire, I am in the minority that genuinely feel Bradley won the fight. But not for one second did Bradley think he won that fight when the scores were being delivered. :lol:

    His deludedness after the "victory" and the "wiped the floor with him/easy work" attitude meant people got on his back, and the people singing that Pacquiao was robbed, were now putting a band together and banging a loud drum down the street.

    Bradley didnt get the respect he thought he deserved, therefore tried to make up for it in the Provodnikov fight, fighting a different way to try and prove something and win fans. Because it was unnatural and dangerous Bradley learned a lesson. Time will tell if it was needed.

    A true champion will learn from it. Acknowledge it and use it. But they will understand that fighting that fight will see them get beat.

    IMO Bradley is smart enough to rectify that. Every fighter has an off-day fight, he'll of course put it down to that.

    But ignoring the very man who got you to the level you are at. Wasn't smart and neither was the strategy.

    Luckily for Bradley he got out alive and captured the heart of a few fans.

    But if he wants to keep them, then he better start boxing again and not slugging against expert sluggers.

    If you start playing with fire, dont complain when you get burnt.
     
  4. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based on his run of performances prior to landing the Pac fight, I'd say he can't complain. He redeemed himself in terms of delivering an exciting fight but I just haven't saw the smart all encompassing fighter that some see him as for several years now.
    Since Arum brought it up, his accidental headers aren't a factor I am pleased to say too.
     
  5. |A|C|S|

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    The guy got death threats after beating Pac and said he didnt wanna live
    His emotion was always gonna take over in his next fight, he got it out the way with and managed to get the win so if anything its a blessing in disguise because he will never do that again
     
  6. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What would you do if you were Tim? If he keeps fighting in this manner he'll be Box Office gold rather than the anti-ticket seller.
     
  7. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Agree totally T. The Pacquiao aftermath affected him mentally. He fought foolishly but won the fight and some fans. Was a great battle but one he didn't need.
     
  8. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    You've had a bit of a hard on for Bradley for a while, Scotty.

    He outboxed Lamont Peterson comprehensively, he put on a good performance against Abregu (who later proved he's decent), he disarmed and undressed the horrendously overrated Alexander, the Casamayor fight was dreadful, and while I thought he lost clearly, he performed well against Pacquiao.

    So in four of his last five fights, he's shown good skills, adapted well to his opponent, and generally come out on top. TFFP is probably right, he came out with his blood up and got a beating. But he stuck with it and showed some real fire to take that decision.
     
  9. DeathEater

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    Bit like khan, weak mentally.

    Aint been able to handle the shitstorm after the pac win
     
  10. knighty

    knighty Active Member Full Member

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    Doesnt anyone think that maybe it wa just a case of provodiknov being a lot better than tim and everyone realised? When he was putting punches together when he had tim hurt his handspeed was very impressive .He may go on to do a lot now and we all may see it as a great balls to the wall performance against provodiknov!
     
  11. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Timbo glasses are on I see. Peterson was the last good performance he put in. You clearly saw something different from myself and the general media for the other Bradley fights but I'm the one with the woody. :lol:
    Great effort in trying to sugar coat though!:good

    Considering how you have lavished the guy with such praise over how intelligent he is, that must have been tough viewing a few weeks back.
    Personally, I thought it marvelous to see Tim fight in that manner. Don't you want to be watch action like that or do you prefer a "win at all costs" attitude? He's on his way to becoming a draw if he does.
     
  12. SkillspayBills

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    Provodnikov is decent, but don't think he's that good. Bradley fought his fight and allowed him to do what he does best. Fight and get his power punches off. When Bradley used lateral movement he took rounds back to back in middle stages of fight.

    Provodnikov needs to work on cutting ring off and punching on the move. Decent fighter, Match him well and he can win a world title but i think he was made to look a fair bit better then he really is by Bradey's stupidity early doors.
     
  13. dftaylor

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    I'm not overrating him at all. I like Tim as a fighter but he's nowhere near my list of favourites. YOU think Peterson was his last good performance, I disagree. That's all.

    He is a smart fighter and he fought like an idiot, but it was a great fight. As far as whether he becomes a draw, that doesn't interest me.
     
  14. craney91

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    I actually think Peterson is a very very good fighter for what he is. He takes pressure fighting just that level up. A lot of pressure fighters get found out, but Peterson seems to have that nous that is just a level up from a stereotypical pressure fighter.

    Tim Bradley has been in with a lot of good fighters and came out on top every time. He has showed time and time again his will to win is second to none and he aint afraid of no one. For instance, how many yanks would have gone over to England to fight Witter at that time? Bradley is fearless.

    If Bradley is to lose its going to take someone to break his will and basically knock him out. Bradley just wont be beaten, losing is not in Bradley's vocab. The man is willing to die in the ring. Losing is simply not an option. Unless someone destroys him and takes his heart.

    Even when he was on the edge of going in that last fight, the crossroads of defeat, something was still alive and kicking. Something deep down.

    The man is a champion. A true champion. There is a difference between a belt holder and a champion and Bradley IS a champion.

    His determination demands respect. The bloke is a winner and is easily in my top 10 favorite fighters currently.

    Bradley gets a lot of ****, some do have a fair point, but generally from people who know **** about boxing, they realize what he is all about.

    He is a damn good fighter man and can just about do it all.

    Good at most things, but a master of nothing. He finds a way to win, and that is probably what he is a master of. Finding that way. But skill wise, he isn't great at any particular thing, but good at most.
     
  15. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree with all this. I think he is an entertaining fighter and I think it's great he got large exposure after years of grinding away on Friday Night Fights. I don't think he is a huge puncher either. More a guy who hurts you and keeps on you. He only came up to 150lbs so I think he should head back to 140 lbs. Alvarado and Rios both came in a lot heavier than him on fight night. He'd be a good partner for both of them but only after all involved have recuperated. His defense has improved somewhat with Roach but it's still pretty woeful.