Tiny wee Holyfield-Tyson story I read, but kind of interesting I think

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The past-prime version has more chance of beating Tyson for me, the 1990 model was too gung-ho, willing to trade and easy to hit. The 96 version, boxed sensibly and held when necessary, stifling his attack, peak Holy wouldn't do that, and it could spell doom. Mentally he was more ready than ever when they finally fought.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    Pinklon Thomas Tony Tubbs Trevor Berbick Razor Ruddock Michael Spinks Tony Tucker Larry Holmes carl williams frank bruno ....Weak? ARE U KIDDING ME? these guys were the most talented most powerful big men of all time

    What? Tyson dominated Ring Magazine top 10 more convinsingly and cleanly than ANY other champion in history....I mean NO ONE gave him a close fight. Hell he was hardly even HIT cleanly at all in most of his fights. Tyson knocked out top rated Alpha Champs/former champs that had NEVER been down or stopped before



    Holyfield on the otherhand, struggled more with his competition than any champion i have ever seen. Alex Stewart who lasted 1 round vs tyson, took holyfield 12 hard rounds...44 year old larry holmes made holy look very bad, younger holmes knocked out cold by tyson.....42 year old foreman hurt holyfield and went the distance winning rounds, late double substititute journeyman bert cooper nearly knocked the **** out of holyfield, HOW EMBARRASING.....and Aging Michael Dokes gave holyfield hell....not to mention he lost his title to a former lightheavyweight who would be knocked out by a 45 year old man.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    Mcgrain,


    Holyfield could not outbrawl double substitute bert cooper, riddick bowe, and struggled to outbrawl aging michael dokes.....no way will he be able to slug it out with a prime mike tyson who actually worked combinations to the head and body....and no way could evander take mikes shots...no one could take mikes shots mike had the finishing ability to kayo anyone in history....

    as for evander being more past his prime, thats laughable. were comparing a world class fighter who fought at the top level the past 4 years vs a man who did nothing but rot in prison cell for 4 years and not only get more mentally screwed up but get horribly rusty and lose something physically too.
     
  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Holyfield was 34 and had been in a lot of wars. His recent showings against Bowe III, Moorer and Zcyc all had "Tyson by KO" written all over them. In hindsight it was more of a temporary setback, and i agreed with MDWC that Holyfield was a wiser fighter when he got to Tyson. Still, there's a reason they made him the 26 to 1 underdog, and even in the rematch he was slighty the underdog, 8 to 5 or so.

    I think Tyson looks very sharp against Holyfield, in fact much sharper and faster than he did against Douglas .... he was more active too - and this a fact - roughly 20 punches a round vs Douglas where he threw 38 per round against Holyfield.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Interesting stuff.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tyson crumpled in part because Holyfield could take his punches and continue coming. I don't see an early KO, and I don't see the mental impact of this fact being any different. Holyfield was able to man-handle Tyson. I don't see this being any different, and I don't see the tactical impact/mental impact of this fact being any different

    You're talking about his brawling with againg Dokes and with Bowe. Why? I have footage of him out-brawling Mike Tyson. Certainly a better fighter than an ageing Dokes.

    Holyfield always felt he had the beating of Tyson. He had been noting tactical details about him for years, including how to time his left hook. He was absolutley convinced that standing up to him was key to beating him (a cliche with a kernel of truth, like all cliches). For me, this has the ring of Louis-Schmeling and Tunney-Demsey, the brave tactician plotting to take down a brilliant fighter but one who's plan was a matter of public record before the fact.

    Coming to Tyson, Holyfield had won 2 in 4. One of those victories was over Czyz, and his performance was awful. In his own words he "got overexcited and fought like an amature". According to Atlas in commentary, "he looked almost talentless. I have a lot of wonder about what he didn't do in that fight." (that quote is an aproxomation, i can't remember if it is exactly right).

    In short, he looked AWFUL.

    Aside from Czyz, he had not stopped anyone in FIVE YEARS. He would stop ONE additional fighter between Tyson and 2002. Holyfield beat Tyson because he owned him tactically and physically, not because he was primed.


    You've said that Tyson was a man who had "rotted in prison for for years...was rusty". That's hardly true. In great contrast to Holyfield's horrible form Tyson had knocked out the heavyweight champions of the world, mostly in quick smart time. Belt holders were falling around him like wheat to the blade. He showed MUCH better form than Holyfield. Not better, MUCH better, vastly superior.
     
  7. McGrain

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    The first fight was the worst weekend in Vegas for any single event up until that point.

    Didn't the MGM Grand pass on their remaining Tyson fight and step out of the game all together after II? There is something like that.
     
  8. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The 'best bet to beat peak Tyson' version of Holy i'd say would be 1993, after he learnt from the Bowe defeat that trading with every top heavyweight will eventually spell disaster. He's my man to take on the 1987 version of Mad Mike.
     
  9. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    True.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    I agree 100%

    The Holyfield that fought Bowe the first time was only about 15 stone, and had too much heart for his own good.

    I don't see him lasting past two rounds with Kid Dynamite, though he'd certainly fight back until his iron chin and will gave up, which wouldn't be long.
     
  11. Primadonna Kool

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    Evander Holyfield that fought Riddick Bowe first time was 14 stone 8 POUNDS.